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"Ian"  wrote:
>"Danijel Turina"  wrote in message
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>> "Ian"  wrote:
>> >But then can the universe create itself, preceeding it's own existence?
>>
>> No, because the definition is bad and contradictory, but since you
>> insisted, I said OK, let's see where this'll take ya. God is not a
>> _part_ of everything that exists;
>
>So God doesn't exist then :)

Wow, your logical skills amaze me. >;->

>> God is the _foundation_ of
>> everything that exists. This is an enormous difference. The Universe,
>> the entire manifested reality, is merely a form of manifestation of
>> God, and is illusory in its essence, because the only reality is God.
>
>So God is the universe? Not the creator of it?

An analogy: God is the computer. The universe is just one of the minor
applications running on it. The computer is the primary reality, on
which the secondary reality of the software is based. So,
n(computer)=0, n(software)=1. I can prove that n(this universe) > 0,
but how far from the primary reality it really is, is difficult to
tell.

An example: you have a computer runing Duke Nukem 3D, under Win98. So,
you have the hardware, the firmware (BIOS), the operating system and
finally the game. Within this game, you can play a game of pool, a
game within a game. So, to me, this universe resembles the game of
pool within Duke3D. Very, very remote from the real thing, which is
God - although God is present in all that, and makes it all possible.
And if you want to prove that, within your game of pool, there is no
God, I might even agree, although even that wouldn't exist without the
computer and the OS and the Duke3D game. And from all that, you can
deduce my opinion on your logic.

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