soybean2k@stop.hotmail.com wrote:
>Danijel, it's clear to any thinking person that the sense of what you
>say above is 100% right on, but don't degrade yourself by lying down
>with pigs. PADA uses foul language because he can't help himself; lacking
>even the most basic serenity, he can't control the tongue. (All
>Vedic traditions agree that control of the tongue must necessarily
>precede devotional service, but Puranjana Dasa is not interested in
>Vedic traditions.) You, on the other hand, are more than capable of
>controlling what you say. You get mad and fly off the handle like
>we all do, but you have enough self-control to avoid foul language in
>this group, where I, at least, would rather not have to read it;
>I can't speak for anybody else but I imagine that there are others
>who feel as I do.

Please don't think that my words pointed towards Puranjana were just a
blowout of anger; they were chosen with surgical precision, and meant
to show him that the stick has two ends. I simply had enough of him
and his mentally deficient monologues, and the fact that I seldom
flame people doesn't mean that I can't do it very efficiently with
people of choice. ;)

About his arguments: in spite of himself, he occasionally managed to
point out some very disturbing facts, like pedophilia and
homosexuality in ISKCON. That doesn't surprise me that much - as I
pointed out in one of my earlier messages, that is more-less to be
expected in the environment of sexual repression and misogyny, but if
it somehow turns out that even 30% of what Puranjana wants us to
believe is true, then it adds up to a total disaster for ISKCON, and
very ugly conclusions have to be drawn. On the "sunday feasts" in
Croatia, some two years ago, when they were still regularly held, I
have personally witnessed some clearly homosexual behavior between
male ISKCON members. Seeing adult men caressing each other in public
wouldn't be so appalling, if there was also mixed-gender hugging and
caressing. Then it could be said that it's a normal way of showing
mutual affection, and that it doesn't have any sexual background. But
that was not so - from their body language it was perfectly obvious
that male-female contact is seen as outrageous. 
That's why I'm inclined to think that Puranjana is basically pointing
out a real problem, although I'm outraged by him as a person. And I'm
afraid that the solution to the problem isn't to be found in the Hare
Krishna circles, because sexual freedom and equality of genders is
seen as some sort of a blasphemy there. People who repress their
sexuality think that sexual liberation will necessarily lead to total
promiscuity, and they bury everything under one more veil of lead. But
that is not the solution, and I know for a fact that liberated
sexuality _doesn't_ cause promiscuity, it actually causes healthy
celibacy in the largest majority of cases. If you saw my basic
meditation, you could see that it basically releases sexuality and
uses it as an engine of adoration. Do you know how my students, who
practice that approach, function sexually? Those who aren't married
live in effortless celibacy. There are no orgies, nothing, because
sexuality is unleashed, it flows freely, it doesn't need to blow out
steam in some dark corner. And since sex is not a problem,
consciousness is elevated to the higher spheres of functioning, away
from sex. That is the solution. As Maharishi Yogi wisely points out,
the enemy is really defeated when you can release him and let him live
in freedom, because you no longer fear him. The sexuality is defeated
when you can let it function freely, without fear of consequences,
because there are none. People with liberated sexuality don't have sex
with everyone; they have sex only with extremely special people with
whom they form lasting relationships. So, liberated sexuality doesn't
mean promiscuity, on the contrary, it means sexual harmony.
The degree of sexual frustration in some of this NG's members is such,
that they managed to see the yogini.jpg picture from my site as
pornography. I almost choked to death laughing when I've read that.
There is a beautiful naked woman on the picture, with the light
effects that represent the state of consciousness before the final
awakening of the throat chakra - the naked, unveiled power, beauty and
consciousness, united in the supra-mental substance, the realization
beyond thoughts, where thoughts still exist, but they are charged with
so much awareness that they slow down and melt into bliss. And what
did that person see on that picture? Pussy and tits. He saw
pornography. Why? It's obvious: because his sexuality is so repressed,
that he sees sexuality _everywhere_, and every display of female body
is seen as _filth_. It provokes porneia in his mind and then he
projects his inner problems outwards, projecting ugliness over beauty.
He can't see that on this picture the nudity is a symbol of freedom,
that it displays spirit that is completely free of sexuality, so there
is no need to cover the body. Sex with visuddha-based configuration of
the system? It's laughable to even suggest something like that. I had
that configuration of the system for some time (or I wouldn't be able
to paint it) and I had to walk barefoot and naked around the apartment
because the clothes interfered with the powerful energies that were
dissolving the physical substance of my body. I had to be completely
open to the surrounding energy, and clothes were causing me serious
discomfort. I was bathing in inner bliss, inhaled through the throat,
and my consciousness perceived states beyond description. Knowing God
in the heart is _nothing_ compared to that. It's not even beginner's
stage compared to that. Knowledge of God through the throat and higher
centers is something so vast, that no description is possible. The
mind is no longer a mind, because it stops and becomes an ocean of
realization beyond comprehension, and that's just for start. 
When I point out someone's ignorance of yoga, he usually tells me that
Hare Krishnas are way above "that materialistic yoga", that they are
transcendental to that because they are associated with Krsna. They
can sell that to someone else, not me. I know the truth.

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