a_well_wisher@my-deja.com wrote:
>In article ,
>   wrote:
>> Ananda das, Jahnu, Kishore K, Devarsi, Sundeep, all are wrong. But
>> Puranjana, the founder-acarya of Gopi Bhava Club is perfect!
>>
>I'm not sure about the Puranjana being perfect bit, but you seem to
>have the rest of it right.

:))))
Yes, a good point, but I would call everyone to observe the foul
stench that spreads from this NG and try to figure out the reasons.
You are all so emerged in Krsna consciousness that this group has
worse contents than alt.sex.pedophilia.anal would, if it by some
chance existed. The method of discussion is made of insults and
garbage. When I said that HK approach to spirituality is wrong, I was
of course attacked, but all of my points were later proven correct.
Let me quote myself:

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Now, their conclusion would probably be that the fallen guys didn't
follow the principles, they didn't chant enough, they didn't
distribute Prabhupada's books enough, and therefore they've fallen
into bla bla whatever. I have a simpler explanation. The method is
worthless. It doesn't work. They could imitate the results for a
while, but the imitation is demanding and tiresome and they grew weary
of it, so at one point they started acting naturally - for the
distorted condition of their system, of course. Since they've
programmed themselves into thinking that women are stupid geese who
tempt righteous men into sin, they naturally turned gay, they found
themselves some guy or a kid to have sex with, it's a logical
consequence of the programming. It's the same with everything else.
The conclusion is that the method didn't have any lasting positive
effects, but it had lasting negative effects that are very visible all
over the Internet and everywhere else. You tell me that folks get
enlightened by following the method - prove it! Give me evidence. A
statistically relevant number of people who practiced the method and
achieved enlightenment - the real one, the guy has to be far superior
in creativity, love and personal brilliance compared to the average
human being.

By one saying of the mantra they were supposed to become enlightened.
And I agree, the mantra really does that. Only they never said it.
They just repeated the words without the background and imagined the
results because they desperately wanted it to work. It didn't and now
they are human ruins. Very bad for health. ;)
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I _observe_ that the _results_ of the method suck. To disprove that,
you have to either prove that my observations are wrong, and the
results don't suck, or you have to apply a different approach and say
that the original method given by Caitanya is good and gave excellent
results when it was practiced correctly (for that you can probably
quote evidence), but in the meantime something was either lost or
misinterpreted and thus the problems. 
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>You immediately come to the conclusion that the method of chanting is
>defect. 

This conclusion is inescapable. No evidence was given to prove that it
has any positive effects, and the evidence that backs my thesis is
provided daily by the method's very practitioners.
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>And how did they perform the
>chanting? Was it free from Namaparadha? If not, then their chanting will not
>give the desired result. You hastily conclude that the ISKCON devotees you
>have observed performed mantra-japa perfectly. But it isn´t necessarily so.

 I don't know how they performed anything, I simply observe the
condition of their minds, energy flows and bodies. 
They are powered by anger and hate. Of course, they'll quote some
scripture in which such behavior is justified, like, it's good to spit
all over your enemies if they're the really bad demons or mayavadis or
ritviks or GBC homosexuals or whatever. But from what I see, they are
so drained, so utterly devastated as persons, that intense negative
motivations are the only thing that gives them enough power to keep
existing. There's no love, no bliss, no ecstasy of realization,
nothing, just talk about those things, but anger and hate are real,
they can stimulate them. Spit on the enemy and feel good. Maybe you'll
even convince yourself that you're good for something. That kind of
thinking. This is serious pranic and astral imbalance, and it is close
to serious illness and death. All the natural pranic flows were closed
with the strict regulations, but the higher ones that are supposed to
substitute them were not opened - lower joys were prohibited, but the
higher ones are missing, and the only joy in life is imagined,
virtual. Let's pretend to be happy, smile for the tourists. But your
pranic system breaks, you dry up and die, and before that you become a
twisted shadow of your former being. Those are the results which I
have observed in _all_ Hare Krishna communities that I've met.
What was I supposed to conclude, that the method is good but nobody
did it well? It's more likely that it is totally wrong, that the
entire approach sucks.
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Now I leave you to think about it.

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