Autor: Danijel Turina
Datum: 2001-06-03 22:08:35
Grupe: alt.talk.creationism,alt.philosophy.debate,alt.politics.religion,alt.philos
Tema: Re: Messrs JENSEN support Hammond's SPOG
Linija: 47
Message-ID: 4r4lhtgojpott6bm6l7t5speaaccunp7m9@4ax.com

X-Ftn-To: George Hammond 

George Hammond  wrote:
>> If the growth deficit is the cause of God how does this reconcile with
>> the Christian idea of an uncaused God?
>
>Using the computer analogy that's EASY to answer.  The "program"
>called "reality" knows NOTHING about the existence of the computer,
>therefore, when someone upgrades the computer with a faster processor
>and more memory, it appears that "reality" has changed from an
>"uncaused cause".  Surely you can comprehend that.  The Jensens
>certainly can.

Gee, you don't even understand the question.

A causal chain is a chain of A caused B caused C caused D...
So, when we talk about things, we can ask, is this thing here forever,
or does it have a cause somewhere outside itself? Apparently, all
physical objects originate from the Big Bang, so, this expanding
singularity is the source of all things. Now, you ask yourself, is the
Big Bang origin of the causal chain, or are there any links to the
left? A Christian would say that this singularity is merely one link
among many, and that the first link, the one without a cause, that
caused all other things, is God. So, every single thing that has a
cause is NOT GOD, at least not a sort of God that anyone smart would
believe in. I can define God as the tree in my back yard (which I did
for fun, couple of posts ago), but then we can say that God isn't the
object of serious theological study, but an object of horticulture.
The only reason why people are interested in God, is because "God" is
the world that is used for the highest reality and the cause of all
things. 
This is what I asked you several times, and what this good man asks
you now: does your "God" meet the Christian definition of God,
meaning, that it is omnipresent, transcendental, causeless and the
Creator of All? Is the entire reality without exception subject to His
will?
Is this the God that feeds the birds and dresses the lilies, the one
who knows the count of all the hair on your body? The one who created
the origin of this Universe and brought it to existence? The one who
objectively exists outside of human mind and imagination? The one who
gave life to all beings, the one Jesus called "Father", the Logos that
was in the beginning?
This was the question. Provide your definition of God. Now.
The moment you do that, you can start apologizing to people here.

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