X-Ftn-To: quibbler 

quibbler  wrote:
>> Well, you can try, but, this definition is hard to sustain. Big Bang
>> had a cause;
>
>No.  Quantum fluctations are not caused at least according to Quantum
>Electrodynamics.  They are random.

:)))
And where did those quantum fluctuations take place? AFAIK, every
quantum function implies time (meaning, either change of states, or
velocity). No time, no quantum fluctuations, no universe. If you stop
the time, everything in this universe goes bye-bye. It can't cause
itself because it does not exist. So, you need God in order to have
the universe, and God is not a part of the layer of "reality" in which
this universe exists; it would be more appropriate to say that this
universe is merely God's dream of a sort.

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