X-Ftn-To: Marcus E Engdahl 

mengdahl@cc.hut.fi (Marcus E Engdahl) wrote:
>>This is just another way to say that you believe that you are a
>>physical thing without any other aspect. A very depressing thing to
>>believe. Maybe you are the one who needs a shrink, because such a
>>worldview is too much for any being to carry. ;)
>
>Well, I am non-religious, maybe I can carry such burdens with ease :-) would you
>like to summarize what is so depressing about a non-religious worldview?

Well, the concept of yourself as a lump of biomatter is kinda
depressing. Whether you live or die makes no big difference, just some
chemicals shifting positions.
Fortunately, it has nothing to do with the truth.

>>How we get convinced? Well, a guy makes an astral projection before
>>me. While his astral body is outside his physical, I point my finger
>>to it, in spite of the fact that he keeps changing positions, just to
>>tease me. My finger is constantly pointed at his astral.
>>He returns to his body and tells me that if he didn't see it, he
>>wouldn't fuckin' believe it.
>
>Since you are so good in astral travel, 

I never said I _can_ do astral travel, since I can't. I'm just
sensitive to the astral substance; I can see prana if I choose to
look; I can feel people's feelings and general thoughts, and stuff
like that. As for the visual seeing thing, I don't see much detail;
someone's astral body reflected on prana to me is just a gray spot
changing positions. I'm not accurate enough to see colors; some of my
students can, though. I think it has things to do with the physical
body and its preferences. I can see astral much better than I see
prana, however. But, all of those things are secondary; there are much
more important things, like for instance the enhanced intuition, or
the ability to recognize the depth of consciousness, and the capacity
for accepting the truth. 

>surely you can read a text that a random
>stranger writes on paper, and places in a locked room. 

Nobody I know can do that. The physical mind simply doesn't have the
resolution necessary. It's difficult for the brain to interpret even
the visual information that comes from the immediate senses; such a
downstream from the astral body is unheard of. If one could do that,
he could also immediately remember all of his past lives, and much
more. Theoretically, one could just pump the knowledge from the astral
into the physical, for instance he would be able to learn all the
languages of the world immediately. 
The problem is not in the astral, but in the physical body. The human
brain is the most subtle form of physical matter known, and people
still need decades to learn the basic things that are inherent to the
astral existence. Some people manage to refine the brain more than
others, but for most, this increase will never include things like the
ability to remember a clear image, in a resolution sufficient for
reading, of something that didn't come from the eyes, or doesn't
represent a mere recomposition of a previously stored image. Those are
the facts of human physical existence. Just to make it clear.

>Many people in the world
>have claimed to have this ability but to my knowledge nobody has succeeded
>in this yet. Would you like to test whether you can actually do this, to see
>whether you ability is real instead of make-believe?

You are attempting to trick me into showing that I'm a fool, but I'm
not. I forgot more about human limitations than you will ever know. If
you want to expose a fool, try Jasmuheen or Sai Baba, you'll get more
success.

>>Now, that's just for start, but that makes you think about it.
>>The next thing is even stranger. Someone thinks about something, and
>>you say it out loud. It happens to you all the time, and you're always
>>right. You never make mistakes. You always know what they're thinking,
>>and you can confirm it with no problem. This makes the belief firmer.
>>Then you meet someone, look into his eyes and feel the deepest love
>>that you can feel, and this person has a vision of God, his heart
>>chakra "explodes", his Kundalini awakens and he goes into kriyas.
>
>You can send good vibes to my direction, I won't object :-)

Oh, the problem is not in what I'm sending. Right now, I'm sending
enough good stuff to this group, that you can't even begin to imagine.
The problem is, that nobody opens up towards it. Nobody looks in the
right direction. Except, in fact, a couple of people who are lurking.
They could in fact receive what you call "vibes". 

>>But, this newsgroup seems so immature that I wonder whether it might
>>be the best thing for me to just leave. I don't want to disturb your
>>world.
>
>Or is it vice versa? Do you surround yourself only with people who share your
>views? I think that would be unwise in the long run.

Yes, I surround myself with people who are in touch with the reality.
And, you see, _they_ find no need to argue with me, because they think
that learning from me is a much better way to use my presence while
I'm still around.

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