X-Ftn-To: Gwailoh-9
Gwailoh-9 wrote:
>>No. He was left with a small blue scar in the throat, after ingesting
>>all the poison that threatened to destroy the three worlds and
>>everybody in them.
>
>but, but ... what about the one with blue skin all over? I know i've
>seen pictures ... it most likely was in a Govinda's krishna
>restaurent - was about Krishna?
Yes, it's Krishna. Krishna actually means "black", not blue.
>>>Curiously,
>>>the psilocybin mushroom turns blue when picked, which is one of the
>>>ways to help distinguish it from poison mushrooms. coincidence?)
>>
>>Not even coincidence, except for the blue color.
>
>oh well, no worries, just a little pet theory of mine. i've no way to
>back it up, it was just some curious (to me) correspondences
:)
>>Besides, mushrooms are dangerous. You can't rely on the exact chemical
>>balance in most species; the same species of mushrooms builds up
>>different chemicals, depending on the terrain and climate. The
>>Russians, for instance, use amanita muscaria with vodka in order to
>>get high.
>
>Hey check this out, it might not be only the Russians & Siberian-Tuvan
>Shamans. Perhaps it was also the Tibetan Buddhists!
:) Perhaps it was Bon-po, not buddhists. Now, _they_ are the kind of
guys I'd believe to be using that stuff. ;))
> http://www.sirius.com/~holy/mushroom3.html Has beautiful pictures of
>Eastern mandalas & statues & art with mushroom iconography, eg:Hari
>Hari holding the mushroom - Hari Hari is a Hindu deity that is Shiva
>and Vishnu combined. Many times Hari Hari is portrayed as androgynous
>(containing both male and female organs), which is another symbolic
>reference to the mushroom. Also has this text:
I think that most of these references are a result of a vivid
imagination, and a desperate attempt to confirm a weird theory, like
Daniken who saw aliens everywhere.
>Tibetan book of the dead wherein the authors explore the concept that
>the book is not only for the dead and dying but that it is in fact a
>manual of the of-of-body realms experienced when taking LSD.
This is utterly wrong, Bardo Thodol is explicit in its instructions,
read it and you'll see for yourself. Everything in it is related to
the post mortem state. For God's sake, it's recited to the decaying
corpse, while fluids come out of its bodily openings.
>S. Hajicek-Dobberstein, and "When Gods Drank Urine": A Tibetan myth
>may help solve the riddle of soma, sacred drug of ancient India, by
>Mike Crowley.
Soma is in fact a substance produced within the body as a side-effect
of higher consciousness. You can even smell it, because people who
have it within them radiate a wonderful scent, which is similar to
something floral, but not quite. My dirty clothes smell better than
the clean ones, because of it. The tantric theory said that the urine
of such person contains the substance, and if a student ingests it, it
can trigger spiritual refinement and help his yogic practice. I,
however, don't think this to be true. Soma is not the cause of the
spiritual state, but the result. An airplane makes noise, but making
the same noise won't make you fly, if you see what I mean.
>>So, if someone wants to get high, mushrooms aren't very safe, you can
>>get yourself killed just like that.
>
>or you could have said: "So, if someone wants to EAT, mushrooms
>aren't very safe, you can get yourself killed just like that". ...
>and yet, you go ahead and do just exactly this. are you crazy????
The analogy is wrong. In fact, I know exactly what kinds contain what
chemicals, and the ones that are unpredictable, like cortinarii or
clitocybe some amanitae, I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, let
alone eat them. However, there are species that are totally harmless
and their chemical composition never varies with temperature, soil
composition etc - like boletaceae, for instance. You have amanita
cesarea, a mushroom that is delicious and is _never_, absolutely never
toxic, under any circumstances, nor contains any psychotropic
substances. Or, boletus edulis, or macrolepiota procera.
There are dozens of species that I know to be edible, but I'll not eat
them because they can be mixed up with something poisonous, or they
belong to a family that is known to occasionally contain
psychotropics.
But, even the good, kosher species contain substances that, if you
drink alcohol with them, can have interesting effects on you. :) Good
ol' macrolepiota procera can get you high as a kite laughing at
everything if you sip wine with it... not always of course, but it can
happen. Mushrooms are a very strange territory even if you know them
well.
>no, you aren't. you are have educated yourself, you know what you
>need to look for, and what you need to beware of.
Yes, I need to beware stuff that kills you, makes you sick or makes
you think your TV is God. :)
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