Autor: Danijel Turina
Datum: 2001-06-04 10:48:57
Grupe: alt.talk.creationism,alt.philosophy.debate,alt.politics.religion,alt.philos
Tema: Re: Messrs JENSEN support Hammond's SPOG
Linija: 54
Message-ID: sfhmhtk0ha648rf1f861ire8l7ig3s5leu@4ax.com

X-Ftn-To: George Hammond 

George Hammond  wrote:
>  It is OBVIOUS that the "computer vs. program" argument
>answers quite satisfactorily the mystery of how an "uncaused cause"
>can suddenly appear in the program.  Simply put, the
>"reality" program can account for everything EXCEPT an upgrade of
>the computer. As far as the program is concerned, this appears as
>an "unexplained miracle", and "unexplained change in reality" without
>any apparent cause.

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

OK, I'll remain serious. Counting to ten. OK, let's go.

What is the cause of the human brain? What is the cause of a human
being? What is the cause of the world? What is the cause of the solar
system? What is the cause of the Milky Way galaxy? What is the cause
of the Universe? What is the cause of the BB singularity?

Those are the questions. I understand that your intelligence isn't
much, and I'm trying to explain this slowly, as I would to a mentally
retarded child.

You weren't always this old. You were once younger. You were conceived
at one point by your parents. They were conceived at one point by
their parents. This is a small fragment of the chain of causation.
Your grandparents caused your parents, your parents caused you; A
caused C caused D.
So, if something wasn't always here and in the present form, people
say that it was created, and that it has a point of origin, or a
cause. The only thing, that by a definition _doesn't_ have a cause, is
God. So, if you want to prove the existence of God, you must find
something that always was, always will be, and somehow created the
rest.

So, if we take "your" analogy, what caused the program? What caused
the computer? God can be only on the "left" part of the chain, not
right. You are saying that hardware (brain) causes the software
("reality") and software causes "God". 
Then, you fail to understand what an uncaused cause is, and you say
that an uncaused cause "suddenly appears in the program".
The most ridiculous thing is, you then keep explaining the cause of
the uncaused cause. :)))

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))
You ... 
If it appears, it is caused. Like your diploma. You did something, by
either paying for it or by taking exams, I'm not sure, and it
appeared. Something caused the degree, but an idiot remained an idiot,
only with a MS label.

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