X-Ftn-To: J.D. Campbell 

CAMPBELLJD@webtv.net (J.D. Campbell) wrote:
>Ok so you wanta play the attack the author game. JD

No, I want to play the "quote your messages properly so that they'll
be easier to read" game.

>Oh I see, so what you're saying is that if people practice yoga, they
>get to talk in inconsistent fits of logoreia, and it's all OK because if
>they sound smart, they could initiate a personality cult? ;)) 
>
>No you wrote this not me as thats reflective of your primary attack the
>logicial.  I have a cult of one split 3 ways i-me-my. We are not
>talking, (saying sounding your glorious speech/grin) but writing a few
>points of interest perhaps at your owen lucid features. I doubt your
>ever alone in YOUR social group probably a cult of the socio politico
>type not yogic but inter-personal as yoga is a singular activity or
>singular sport as running swimming can be. JD

You're mixing points because your mind isn't clear, and since a clear
mind is a necessary prerequisite for yogic practice, conclusions about
your yogic achievements present themselves even without my effort.
Although yoga is indeed something that has little or nothing to do
with others, that doesn't mean that yogis are supposed to be
illiterate sociopaths. Yoga is about bringing the mind in order so
that one can realize the supramental. If one didn't even manage to
control his mind to a degree that would allow him to present his
thoughts in an understandable manner, then all his other
"achievements" are questionable. 
The original point was that realization in spirit brings peace to the
mind, and a peaceful mind brings clarity and harmony to thoughts,
words and deeds. But today it's modern to just say that we're all one
and that one isn't supposed to judge others, coz it brings about
separation, and voila, one's earned himself an applause of similarly
"spiritual" people who also say that we are all one. Those 'one'
people grow a bruised ego when their spiritual ass gets kicked, so
they're not really one, coz there's a difference between the ass,
boot, kick and the pain, and there's the state before and after having
their ass kicked. 
There is a multitude of beings with foundation in one reality, and the
degree of one being's realization is visible from its greatness. It is
true that both ant and Prajapati are brahman, but an ant knows zilch
and can do almost as much, and Prajapati created the universe. So,
although all beings have the same original nature, this nature is not
manifested equally in all of them. So, claims that "we are all one"
are just quasi-spiritual mumbo-jumbo, created in order for spiritual
dwarves to be able to claim enlightenment: "it's true that I'm an
asshole, but it doesn't matter because asshole is in the sphere of
things and experiences, and I am the experiencer". Be the experiencer
as much as you like, but if you want to talk, learn how to speak.

>>First of all, a tree shall be known by its fruits. 
>
>Thats of course nonsense botany does not work on this criteria. JD 

One day a sadhu came to visit Ramakrishna with all his female...
err... escorts?, whatever. He said that if everything is brahman, that
it doesn't really matter what he does, and since he likes having sex,
it's OK, it's all maya anyhow.
Ramakrishna answered: "I spit on your vedanta".

Likewise, I spit on the spirituality that is not known by its fruits.

>Therefore every action speaks of the personality behind it, and the
>structure of the personality is very much a reflection of the spiritual
>status. 
>
>So to you action speaks of personality.........your the muse, the tarots
>fool (waite deck), knowledge is reflective of personality acquired by
>action not your written statement. We see your hanging yourself suppling
>your owen rope yogi (knowlege/action please re learn). Action gives
>knowledge cause and effect remember the fool jumping off a cliff little
>doggie right behind the ??? JD

Write that in some understandable form, and then I may have something
to answer.

>>The doer is reflected in his deeds. 
>
>This would be action expended reflective of past knowledge.  Sounds
>fine.JD

Actually, it's supposed to say that a firm foundation in reality
creates harmony in actions, from thoughts to deeds, and foundation in
illusion creates confusion, ignorance and disharmony. 

>Any discrepancy between the thoughts, words and actions signifies a
>problem. 
>
>Your conclusion??????? 

My conclusion is that your problem is visible from the Moon.

>>So, there is in fact a great connection between experience and words,
>>for experience of greatness seeks forms of expression, and words are not
>>the least important of those forms. 
>
>I assume the leader with no followers does not qualify under this lofty
>purpose. 

A speaker has a following of his words, and a doer has a following of
his deeds. They all testify of his nature, for all to see clearly.

>Compassion of an enlightened Master for his fellow men causes a flow of
>helpful actions. 
>
>1) Enlightenment/ ed is a 17th century word and means to use the mental
>agilities and is not reflective of samadhi.

Enlightenment is a word of convention, as well as any other. Greatness
is a better word than samadhi. Those who are great are founded in
greatness, which is brahman. Samadhi means many things to many people,
it's just a word without meaning, if it's not visible in personal
greatness of the one who claims to be enlightened. A total idiot on
acid can enter samadhi and claim enlightenment on your criteria.

>2) Master : A 20th century word phrased by theosopohy and has no
>meaning.

Master is the one who possesses mastery of things. Things come to
their master, not to their servant. A master of the mind has the mind
as his servant, and words and deeds as well. Enlightenment means
mastery over the mind and the senses.
Semantics won't get you anywhere, stick to the point.

>I see your in these schools of missions, spiritualists,intellectuals and
>evanganlistic's that is not the forest we travel in yogi (i me my).JD

I see in you ignorance and incompetence, and also projections created
from past experience, that come from the inability to realize the
truth of the moment. Frankly, you are full of crap.

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