X-Ftn-To: quibbler

quibbler wrote:
>Experience really has almost nothing to do with people's belief in god.

Actually, in a pretty large percentage, it has everything to do with
it. It is just that people choose to interpret their observations
differently. This is why some find God's presence to be obvious, while
others don't. It's not that much of a matter of choice, it's more of a
matter of subtlety of spirit.

And BTW, any further discussion with you is meaningless and I
terminate it.

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X-Ftn-To: Robert Keith Elias

REMOVE.keliasTHIS@clic.and.this.net (Robert Keith Elias) wrote:
>~ > http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pubaffrs/0128.htm
>~ > Maybe this will convince you.
>
> Perhaps you would be kind enough to present a summary of the
> verifiable evidence that convinced you. I find it difficult to have a
> meaningful discussion with a web page.

I was kind enough to give you the starting point for your research.
Since you didn't appreciate my kindness, I suddenly couldn't care less
about what you choose to believe. If you believe a wrong thing you
will suffer. What do I care. I told you what the truth is, and if you
don't want to accept it, then believe a lie. No money out of my
pocket.

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Bok,
od nekih dva tjedna prije selidbe s Hvara imam totalnu ludnicu. Prvo
sam se ubio da zavrsim Gitu i pisao sam poglavlje do dva dnevno. Nakon
toga sam imao cirkus sa pakiranjem, preseljenjem i raspakiravanjem.
Zadnjih 20 dana, ili koliko sam vec u Zagrebu, kontinuirano dovodim
ljude u red jakim infuzijama energije razlicitih razina. Istodobno
obavljam pun klinac stvari okolo, a jedva da se uopce stignem odmoriti
- u elementarnom smislu, kakva meditacija, kakav pravi odmor. To ima
svoje posljedice; imunitet mi je pao u podrum i sinoc mi se pocela
razvijati nekakva upala grla, od koje jedva gutam i govorim, ali sam
inace manje-vise OK. To znaci da bih, da sam totalni idiot, mogao
nastaviti istim ovim tempom jos tjedan dana. Onda bi me nosili s
nogama prema naprijed. Buduci da nisam bas totalni idiot, ipak kuzim
nekakve nagovjestaje, tako da sam od sada na odmoru, ali ono, fakat.
Nema me, ne postojim, ne dovodim nikoga u red, ne rijesavam probleme,
ne pisem po konfi, fiju, iznimno se mozda pojavim ali me generalno
nema nakon sto danas ispraznim mailbox. Moram se prvo dovesti u red, a
onda smiriti loptu, inace jednostavno nemam sanse izdrzati kombinaciju
prociscavanja tudjih sranja na sebi cijelo vrijeme i intenzivnog
shaktipata s druge strane; to me istodobno sjebe i sprecava u
dovodjenju u normalno stanje.
Cujemo se.

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X-Ftn-To: S.V.

"S.V." wrote:
>Assuming that there is a heaven, and that it is eternal happiness...what
>exactly is so great about it? Human beings need something to work towards,
>and in heaven, there will be no problems to solve. I dont know a single
>person who could survive without drama or destruction...I think eternity is
>way to long for happyness. SO where is the appeal?

This is why we have this world. People who aren't happy with heaven
choose this. Then, when they suffer, they blame God.

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X-Ftn-To: Raan

"Raan" wrote:
>Obviously we need to learn more about the brain.

Yes, and when we do, people will no longer live in false belief that
it creates the consciousness.

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X-Ftn-To: Raan

"Raan" wrote:
>And besides, how could good compassionate loving beings be happy knowing
>there are others suffering in Hell and on Earth?

OK. Take a pig and explain that her life is filled with suffering with
almost no good sides, and that she only needs to give it up in order
to go to heaven. See the reaction.
Take a vicious, armed villain and tell him about the value of loving
compassion. See the reaction.

There are no closed doors on hell, or on heaven. Souls go in and out
according to their preferences. Here on earth we have people who
choose to be in heaven, or in hell. Observe their system of values, it
is obvious.

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X-Ftn-To: Drazen Simunic

"Drazen Simunic" wrote:
>Vidis to ti je tragedija, znam ja da je sve od Boga ali hebiga neke stvari
>mi pasu a neke ne.

Pa u tome i je poanta. Sve je od Boga, ukljucujuci stvari koje su nam
date kako bismo se odredili protiv njih i tako odabrali Boga.
Alternativa Bogu je takodjer od Boga, ali njen izbor ima za rezultat
patnju.

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X-Ftn-To: Radoslav Prica

Stovanje Felix!

felix@inet.hr (Radoslav Prica) wrote:
>>ce morati modificirati postojeci "pravilnik" (koji je iako puno zahtjevniji
>>prema pristojnosti, zapravo "zastario"), tako da obuhvati nove norme,
>>nove "okvire normalnog ljudskog komuniciranja". Gdje je granica?
>>Tko ce odrediti granicu do koje se mjere "smije" biti prost?
>
> Ne znam da li se to moze odrediti. Ja bih to ostavio svakom covjeku da
>prosudi po svom osjecaju za komuniciranje. No, ni tu se ne smije zaboraiti
>da i jedna dobra psovka na pravom mjestu moze vise dobra uciniti nego
>tisucu lijepih ljigavih rijeci koje ne znace nista. Kako tu naci neku
>mjeru? Ne znam.

Ma, stvar je upravo u tome da nema fiksnih pravila. Ista stvar u dva
razlicita konteksta moze biti dobra i losa. Ne moze svako smece
pravdati bezobrazno ponasanje time sto je vidio mene da nekoga zestoko
kritiziram. To je kao da klinac vidi kirurga kako vrsi operaciju, pa i
on uzme noz i "operira" svoju sestru. Lako je imitirati onaj dio sa
psovanjem, tesko je imitirati onaj dio koji takvi ne vide i ne
razumiju, a to je sva razlika izmedju mene i neke vulgarne, uvredljive
budale.

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X-Ftn-To: Radoslav Prica

Stovanje Felix!

fe...@inet.hr (Radoslav Prica) wrote:
>>ce morati modificirati postojeci "pravilnik" (koji je iako puno zahtjevniji
>>prema pristojnosti, zapravo "zastario"), tako da obuhvati nove norme,
>>nove "okvire normalnog ljudskog komuniciranja". Gdje je granica?
>>Tko ce odrediti granicu do koje se mjere "smije" biti prost?
>
> Ne znam da li se to moze odrediti. Ja bih to ostavio svakom covjeku da
>prosudi po svom osjecaju za komuniciranje. No, ni tu se ne smije zaboraiti
>da i jedna dobra psovka na pravom mjestu moze vise dobra uciniti nego
>tisucu lijepih ljigavih rijeci koje ne znace nista. Kako tu naci neku
>mjeru? Ne znam.

Ma, stvar je upravo u tome da nema fiksnih pravila. Ista stvar u dva
razlicita konteksta moze biti dobra i losa. Ne moze svako smece
pravdati bezobrazno ponasanje time sto je vidio mene da nekoga zestoko
kritiziram. To je kao da klinac vidi kirurga kako vrsi operaciju, pa i
on uzme noz i "operira" svoju sestru. Lako je imitirati onaj dio sa
psovanjem, tesko je imitirati onaj dio koji takvi ne vide i ne
razumiju, a to je sva razlika izmedju mene i neke vulgarne, uvredljive
budale.

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X-Ftn-To: Robert Keith Elias

REMOVE.keliasTHIS@clic.and.this.net (Robert Keith Elias) wrote:
>~ > If you smash a radio receiver with a baseball bat, you will not be
>~ > able to listen to music, in spite of the fact that the radio waves are
>~ > still around.
>
> I agree that if I smash a radio, or destroy my ears, I will no longer
> be able to hear music.
>
> However I cannot see the point of using this particular analogy. I
> believe I can plausibly argue that the brain/mind is more like a radio
> wave transmitter than receiver, and smashing the transmitter will
> show that the waves are dependent on something physical.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pubaffrs/0128.htm
Maybe this will convince you.

Obviously, the mind (as one of the minor aspects of the soul) survives
just fine without the brain, in fact, it feels better without its
limitations.
Brain is just a tool that helps the soul in manifestation of some of
its nature, on the physical plane. Without it, the connection with the
physical plane is lost, but to the soul, death of the body means
freedom.

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