X-Ftn-To: Radenko Kosic

Radenko Kosic wrote:
>There is a story about Jesus walking with
>His Apostles. They saw a dead dog's body,
>and everyone of them said something about
>that ugly picture. Jesus told them to see
>the beautiful, white theets on that dog.

If I remember it right, this is from a channeling attributed to Sai
Baba, written down by V. Stepski. I have the book, BTW. This is quoted
as an example of positive thinking.
However, I think that the story is not authentic, and I find this
mentality to be questionable.
It is true that one positive quality is worth noticing and
pronouncing. It is true that putting the accent on positive details
can redeem the otherwise negative context. But, it also opens the
possibility of losing the touch with the reality.
A buddhist, seeing a dead dog, would actually completely ignore the
"positive" detail about the beautiful teeth. He would see evidence of
transience. He would conclude that physical life is temporary and that
his physical body is also subject to death and decay. Seeing all those
negative things, he would notice all his worldly attachments. Seeing
them as illusory, he would sever them and retreat within. He would
focus on the eternal and non-transient, on the real. Finding none of
that neither within nor without him, he would drop all things and know
the Void. Thus, by focusing on the negative aspects of the dead dog,
he would attain liberation. So, the negative can also be positive, if
it is in the context of recognizing the reality, without adding to it
or taking anything away. So, it's all about perspective and insight,
not about positive thinking.

>Jesus was a vegetarian

I already proved this false on several places, including my book, and
I don't think it's necessary to repeat the arguments, but I can do it
if need be. Jesus killed animals for food (fish), he ate them, and he
also killed at least one plant. He also used violence, verbal and
physical, and I completely agree with his actions because they were
optimal and in function of witnessing reality. I can give the
coordinates of the places in the Bible for each of these points.

>and practiced Yoga

Depends on how you define yoga.

>Escuse me for my broken english, please.

Practice makes perfect. ;)

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X-Ftn-To: Marcus E Engdahl

mengdahl@cc.hut.fi (Marcus E Engdahl) wrote:
>>Our master once said that there are plenty people in the world, but only a
>>few of them are really humans.
>
>Interesting philosophy. What are the rest then?

They are working on developing their humanity, I'd say.
As Richard Bach once said, being human isn't a matter of biology, you
don't get to be born as one; you have to choose to become it. I know a
cat that has more human qualities than most people. He's a wonderful,
kind and intelligent person with a great soul.

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X-Ftn-To: Wade Humeniuk

"Wade Humeniuk" wrote:
>Reverting to baseball analogies.

Ahem, this might be a good analogy for an American, because baseball
seems to be a national sport there, but since nobody plays the thing
in my country, an analogy with Martians and blirp-blops doing kzzzt
might convey more point to me. :))))

Just kidding, I agree with you. I'm actually visualizing the desired
result, I'm there when I talk about it, and I have very little
patience for the process; when the results don't materialize
immediately, I come to a (often wrong) conclusion that what I'm doing
doesn't work - the reality check bounces, sort of. :)
I'll have to work on patience. Thank you for telling me this.

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X-Ftn-To: Ivica Lozic

"Ivica Lozic" wrote:
>Nazalost trenutno nemam vremena za komentirati ostatak texta, a osim toga
>cini mi se da Danijel moze dati puno bolji komentar;)

Ma komentiao bih ja, samo sto je cinjenica da se ljudi ovdje dijele na
one koji vec imaju jako dobru predodzbu pa im ne treba ni komentirati
stvari na toj razini, ili ih bas boli kurac za bilo sto, sto bih ja
imao za reci, pa se ne isplati.

Ipak, moj komentar bi glasio da covjek neprestano bira. Citav svijet
predstavlja polje izbora. Ne postoji, uistinu, nista sto ne bi bilo
moguce odabrati; svaki svetac moze u bilo kojem trenutku odluciti
postati zlocinac i mrak. Obrnuto vazi. Ipak, sto je netko dulje i
intenzivnije u dodiru s bilo Bogom ili vragom, tim je veca
vjerojatnost da ce njegovi daljnji izbori biti od kvalitete
dotadasnjih. Dakle, ako je netko cijeli zivot mrakovao i sve vise se
identificirao s nistavilom, jako je malo vjerojatno da ce se naglo
srediti; moguce je, ali nije pretjerano vjerojatno, jer je takvome i
"osjecaj za feeling" kalibriran u skladu s mrakom, pa ce, ako ide
prema zahtjevima svoje prirode, nastaviti birati mrak. Ako se, pak,
odrekne i sebe i svoje savjesti i svega sto je do sada birao, i krene
u cistu suprotnost sebi, tada moze stvarno doci u dodir s Bogom.
Isto vazi i za sveca, samo obrni predznak. Svetac, ako slijedi svoju
prirodu, ide blize Bogu, a ako ide protiv nje, moze se odluciti za
mrak. To je sve nesto sto vazi za "napredne", odnosno ekstremne
slucajeve u oba smjera. Sto se pocetnika tice, takav moze malo birati
jedno, malo drugo, pa ce imati i mijesane rezultate. Moze se recimo
malo baviti yogom, pa onda popusiti starce i njihova sranja i sjebati
se, moze malo meditirati pa sretne nekakvu svoju skvadru na cesti koja
mu proda astral pa se sjebe, sve u svemu, njegova buducnost jos i nije
posve odredjena i stabilna, moze krenuti u bilo kojem pravcu, ovisno o
svojim preferencijama i snazi, odnosno slabosti licnosti. Zato je
takvome najbolje da se povuce na neko vrijeme, recimo u trajanju
normalnog godisnjeg odmora, ode negdje na osamu i bavi se iskljucivo
yogijskom praksom, i da se temeljito, ali fakat temeljito sredi. Onda
se slobodno moze vratiti medju mrakove, jer je sada daleko stabilniji
i manje je vjerojatno da ce popusiti foru. Ali pocetnik, koji jos nije
ni sa sobom nacisto, a kamo li s okolinom, ne bi trebao imitirati
majstora koji je u stanju bez problema djelovati okruzen svijetom, a
da ga svijet ne zaprlja; yoga je proces, i otpornost svojstvena
majstoru nije nesto sto pocetnik moze steci samo time sto ce
proglasiti da to ima, nego mora dugo raditi na sebi i nikako ne smije
popustati ni svojim ni tudjim slabostima; treba biti koncentriran,
predan Bogu i uvijek duboko zamisljen u potrazi za najvisom
stvarnoscu. Eto, to bi bilo moje misljenje. :)

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X-Ftn-To: Gloria Stanger

"Gloria Stanger" wrote:
>I personally have enjoyed your web page and have downloaded the book. Don't
>go. If you feel that you must go, can you turn me on to a less judgmental
>newwgoup that is focused on yoga?

I won't go; I always reconsider this decision when I read something
from the "spiritual" folks here, but then I think to myself, they're
not the reason why I'm here, you are. :)

As for the less judgmental groups, I think that we'll have them when
we create them. So far, everybody, including myself, has been backing
away and giving in to violent lunatics. Time to draw the line,
perhaps...

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X-Ftn-To: jody

jody wrote:
>I'm curious too Danielji. How do you know?

Jesus Christ, if this makes you curious, the rest of the stuff would
probably get you into anaphylactic shock. Read
http://www.danijel.org/eng/levels.pdf , it's a chapter from my book
about the levels of consciousness and the practices for refining your
consciousness enough to perceive them. If you then still have
questions, I'll be happy to answer.

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X-Ftn-To: Mihael Popinjac

mpopin@public.srce.hr (Mihael Popinjac) wrote:
>A sto ako (dakle, sto ako!) ;) taj egzorcist ipak nije crni mag nego fakat
>Bozjom snagom pomaze ljudima da se oslobode duhovnog ropstva i tjelesnih
>neravnoteza (bolesti)?

Ma gdje su tu rezultati, koji su kompatibilni s takvom tvrdnjom? Odi
na kavu s Domchijem i Felixom s jedne strane, i sa nekakvom "kremom"
Rufusove ekipe i samim Rufusom. Pogledaj kako Ti izgledaju jedni, a
kako drugi. Mucni glavom i tako to.

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X-Ftn-To: alesclandre

alesclandre@yahoo.com (alesclandre) wrote:

>If only you realized that you are responsible for the ugliness you create.
>I feel that your posts sometimes are very aggresive and indeed ugly,
>so you should not be surprised to see that aggressiveness reverberated
>back to you.

In my writing, I attack falsehood and ignorance. Sometimes, people
understand this and then they can really make serious progress.
Unfortunately, wise people like them are a minority, and it is much
easier to kill the messenger than to act on the message.

I'm actually much kinder than I should be, and even _that_ hurts the
egomaniacs.
The facts are that most people who seem to indulge in some sort of
spiritual practice happen to delude themselves in one way or another.
A large number of them are people with psychological disorders. In
fact, my experience is that real spiritual people tend to avoid
anything that has a "spiritual" label, exactly because of all the
disordered characters who own the "scene". The guy who said that he
met enlightened people serving hamburgers, but he never met them
teaching yoga, seems to have also noticed this situation.

This newsgroup is a pretty good illustration of the point; there are
many guys who advertise their false gurus and false teachings, there
are ordinary folks who think yoga is good for health and who want to
learn how to stretch into a certain position, there are several
basketcases who should be kept under lock and key for public
protection, and there is an ocean of lurkers underneath, who mostly
wonder what the hell is this newsgroup all about. These are the facts
of life.

Now, when I start writing here, I have to weed through the psychos,
basketcases and false teachers, and all the time I wonder whether it's
worth it, or not. But, the likes of you are in fact a minority. On
_every_ poster comes about a hundred lurkers; this is a statistics
from some mailing lists, who have 500 subscribers and 5-10 posters,
and usenet NGs are easier to access, and therefore they must have a
bigger membership. I don't delude myself thinking that I'll help the
psychos and cult propagandists, or people who are obsessed with
advertising themselves. I have no interest in you whatsoever. But,
there is a silent majority of people who are looking for competent
advice, and unlike you, I _do_ have real value to offer them. I could
in fact give up, and not a day goes by without me considering it, but
then you, the aggressive, arrogant and ignorant, big mouths with no
substance, will provide advice and de facto own this little piece of
planet. Me not writing here would be a good thing for me, but not for
the others.

On some other groups, in Croatia, I wrote megabytes of text,
describing things, guiding people. When I came, nobody knew me. On the
hr.fido.religija newsgroup (in fact a fido conference), one person had
some practical experience in the sphere of religion, and others knew
just theory. After four years of my participation, a huge part of the
newsgroup now consists of advanced yogic practitioners. One would
think that such results, obvious and beyond question, are enough to
prevent me from having to listen to people similar to yourself, who
think that the very fact that you don't like me proves that I must be
a deluded fake. In fact, the majority of the newsgroup's traffic is
made purely of such writings. Why? Because my students practice yoga,
they do kriya and work on themselves. They are a majority of NG
subscribers, the majority that _knows_. But, because of that
knowledge, they are utterly unmotivated to reply to obviously false
statements; they might laugh when they remember who they know me to
be, and how some people perceive me. It makes me laugh, too, but I
also feel pain because I understand that I'm surrounded with
ignorance, madness and aggression, which are the qualities of hell,
and it makes me miss all the things that I gave up in order to be
writing in such places. But, it's the sick ones who need a doctor, not
the healthy ones.
You will never know the sadness that I feel when I see your ignorance
and delusion, and if you had any idea about it, I'm afraid that you
could never again live with yourself. It would be more comfortable for
you to remain deluded, because you could remain living in a world
known to you, even if it is empty and false. But, I hope that this
will not last, because facing the truth might be extremely painful for
you, but it will open your eyes and you could reject everything that
separates you from the reality. You would then discover things that
are now utterly unknown to you.
I'm an optimist. I accepted students who were on the verge of being
hospitalised for madness; now, their eyes reflect God's perfection. I
worked with people who were so fucked up, that they couldn't force
themselves to cross the street at dark. Now, they make God feel proud.
The one thing common to them was their realization of their position,
and their faith in me. They were willing to listen and follow
instructions. Now, every single one of you could visit my homepage and
actually get the yogic techniques practiced by my students. This
wouldn't cost you anything, nobody would recruit you into some cult,
and those techniques are infinitely more valuable than anything you
could possibly buy anywhere. Hopefully, I feel that there are great
souls who actually did that, who have accepted the gift and _they_,
not you, are the reason why I write here. Unlike you, they don't feel
the arrogant need to teach me lessons. The majority of them is so
humble, that they in fact don't dare to contact me - but _they_ are
the ones that I _want_ contact with. Not you, the arrogant and
ignorant, deluded fakes.

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X-Ftn-To: Bassos

"Bassos" wrote:
>> >You can send good vibes to my direction, I won't object :-)
>>
>> Oh, the problem is not in what I'm sending. Right now, I'm sending
>> enough good stuff to this group, that you can't even begin to imagine.
>> The problem is, that nobody opens up towards it. Nobody looks in the
>> right direction. Except, in fact, a couple of people who are lurking.
>> They could in fact receive what you call "vibes".
>
>Indeed, thank you.

You're very wellcome.

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I was just thinking, what is the proper response when we face
something ugly, such as some postings on this newsgroup? I mean, if
you read it, it has the effect of wallowing in mud, it gradually
contaminates your thoughts and feelings and you pick up some of
that... until you completely lose yourself in this ugliness.

Responding to it makes no sense - I sometimes attempt to turn this
stuff into weird humor, which is the best thing I can think of, but it
still leaves a bitter taste.

Leaving this sphere altogether seems like the answer. The beauty. I
was just listening to the finale of the Tubular Bells (the part just
before Sailor's Hornpipe), and Ommadawn. The sheer beauty of the music
almost made me cry - in fact, it does now - because it reminds me of
all the things that don't exist in the world of limited minds and
ignorant hatred. The gentleness, purity. Human heart has the vast
potential... it can produce incredible beauty, like nothing else in
this world. Nothing in this world can touch Mike Oldfield's music; he
is actually a proof that there is God, because nothing else can
explain this beauty. Not even the flowers in the sunshine, not even
the sunset... but this music, yes. It makes me remember things I
shouldn't remember, because they are too beautiful.

It doesn't matter that this world also contains incredible ugliness,
which is the proof of the existence of hell. Because, in this mixture,
there is also heaven.

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