X-Ftn-To: Formerly Seeking Connection

Formerly Seeking Connection wrote:
>>That's for start. Then, if you're interested, I could teach you the
>>affirmations for the basic elements, which would help you build up
>>your balance.
>Thank you very much for the kind offer. Links noted. JD is helping me
>now. That's why I changed to formerly seeking.

You've really found yourself the one to help you... ;)

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X-Ftn-To: Marcus E Engdahl

mengdahl@cc.hut.fi (Marcus E Engdahl) wrote:
>>This is just another way to say that you believe that you are a
>>physical thing without any other aspect. A very depressing thing to
>>believe. Maybe you are the one who needs a shrink, because such a
>>worldview is too much for any being to carry. ;)
>
>Well, I am non-religious, maybe I can carry such burdens with ease :-) would you
>like to summarize what is so depressing about a non-religious worldview?

Well, the concept of yourself as a lump of biomatter is kinda
depressing. Whether you live or die makes no big difference, just some
chemicals shifting positions.
Fortunately, it has nothing to do with the truth.

>>How we get convinced? Well, a guy makes an astral projection before
>>me. While his astral body is outside his physical, I point my finger
>>to it, in spite of the fact that he keeps changing positions, just to
>>tease me. My finger is constantly pointed at his astral.
>>He returns to his body and tells me that if he didn't see it, he
>>wouldn't fuckin' believe it.
>
>Since you are so good in astral travel,

I never said I _can_ do astral travel, since I can't. I'm just
sensitive to the astral substance; I can see prana if I choose to
look; I can feel people's feelings and general thoughts, and stuff
like that. As for the visual seeing thing, I don't see much detail;
someone's astral body reflected on prana to me is just a gray spot
changing positions. I'm not accurate enough to see colors; some of my
students can, though. I think it has things to do with the physical
body and its preferences. I can see astral much better than I see
prana, however. But, all of those things are secondary; there are much
more important things, like for instance the enhanced intuition, or
the ability to recognize the depth of consciousness, and the capacity
for accepting the truth.

>surely you can read a text that a random
>stranger writes on paper, and places in a locked room.

Nobody I know can do that. The physical mind simply doesn't have the
resolution necessary. It's difficult for the brain to interpret even
the visual information that comes from the immediate senses; such a
downstream from the astral body is unheard of. If one could do that,
he could also immediately remember all of his past lives, and much
more. Theoretically, one could just pump the knowledge from the astral
into the physical, for instance he would be able to learn all the
languages of the world immediately.
The problem is not in the astral, but in the physical body. The human
brain is the most subtle form of physical matter known, and people
still need decades to learn the basic things that are inherent to the
astral existence. Some people manage to refine the brain more than
others, but for most, this increase will never include things like the
ability to remember a clear image, in a resolution sufficient for
reading, of something that didn't come from the eyes, or doesn't
represent a mere recomposition of a previously stored image. Those are
the facts of human physical existence. Just to make it clear.

>Many people in the world
>have claimed to have this ability but to my knowledge nobody has succeeded
>in this yet. Would you like to test whether you can actually do this, to see
>whether you ability is real instead of make-believe?

You are attempting to trick me into showing that I'm a fool, but I'm
not. I forgot more about human limitations than you will ever know. If
you want to expose a fool, try Jasmuheen or Sai Baba, you'll get more
success.

>>Now, that's just for start, but that makes you think about it.
>>The next thing is even stranger. Someone thinks about something, and
>>you say it out loud. It happens to you all the time, and you're always
>>right. You never make mistakes. You always know what they're thinking,
>>and you can confirm it with no problem. This makes the belief firmer.
>>Then you meet someone, look into his eyes and feel the deepest love
>>that you can feel, and this person has a vision of God, his heart
>>chakra "explodes", his Kundalini awakens and he goes into kriyas.
>
>You can send good vibes to my direction, I won't object :-)

Oh, the problem is not in what I'm sending. Right now, I'm sending
enough good stuff to this group, that you can't even begin to imagine.
The problem is, that nobody opens up towards it. Nobody looks in the
right direction. Except, in fact, a couple of people who are lurking.
They could in fact receive what you call "vibes".

>>But, this newsgroup seems so immature that I wonder whether it might
>>be the best thing for me to just leave. I don't want to disturb your
>>world.
>
>Or is it vice versa? Do you surround yourself only with people who share your
>views? I think that would be unwise in the long run.

Yes, I surround myself with people who are in touch with the reality.
And, you see, _they_ find no need to argue with me, because they think
that learning from me is a much better way to use my presence while
I'm still around.

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X-Ftn-To: jody

jody wrote:
>There's another name for it. It's called projection.

Let me explain some things, because I see that the basics are unknown
here. If your astral body is purified by yogic practice, it behaves
like a clear surface of water, or a mirror. When some other being
touches your astral body with the "tentacles" or cords, of astral
substance (these are formed by a mere intend pointed towards someone),
a link can be established, and through those cords you can feel the
"context" and "taste" of the other person - or, which is more often,
many of them at once. If, I repeat, IF, you are pure enough, you can
perceive the other person. But, if your mind is active, if you are in
a mess, or filled with desires, if you create images, you are more
likely to do something else: projection, as you said. Since projection
is extremely likely to take place, because only an extreme minority is
capable of clear mirroring, well, you'll end up accusing the other
person for things that are in fact the content of your own astral.
This is what we frequently have the opportunity to see. People _think_
that they talk to each other, while they are in fact talking to their
own self-created images of the other person; according to the feelings
aroused in you, when you talk to someone, you judge the other person.
You would have to be much calmer than the one you're attempting to
"see", in order to actually observe anything more than your own
astral.

Since my mind is extremely calm, compared to anybody, it is extremely
unlikely that anyone is going to perceive _me_. In fact, if they
attempt, they will have to "dive" so deeply in order to find me, that
they will attain enlightenment in the process. This actually happens.
But, unfortunately, people are very shallow, and so I extremely seldom
meet someone who is calm enough to admit that he actually can't figure
me out at all. Such a person is always a potential yogi, and is close
to enlightenment. Others, unfortunately, have a long way to go, and
even if I have certain problems, it is extremely unlikely that any of
you will know anything about them in the near future. But, if you
practice yoga according to my instructions, it is not impossible.

So, here I have a situation that everybody has an opinion about me;
those opinions are all different, and all wrong. (Hi Jelly, yours too.
:)) :* Jesus, man, when I just think about you, you seem like God
Almighty compared to those guys. Why am I writing in this pit at all?
:)) However, you _did_ do some serious shit while I was gone. Soon
I'll take your pictures and post them around like success stories. ;)

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X-Ftn-To: Marcus E Engdahl

mengdahl@cc.hut.fi (Marcus E Engdahl) wrote:
>Has it occurred to you that your theory might not be all-encompassing? You are
>trying to pass judgement on ancient religions that are supposedly very different
from the ones you are familiar with.

I can invent any theory, for instance that the drugs are necessary in
order to bring imbalance to the carrier wave that projects us into the
matrix, and when we disrupt this wave, we will wake up in the real
world. The only important thing, in this scenario, is to take the red
pill. ;) Just where did that Morpheus guy go...

>It is common that religiously inclined
>people believe that the theoretical framework used in their own religion to be
>the *truth*.
>It is possible that according to some theoretical framework used in
>tribel religions that the fabric of reality (or whatever) can be penetrated only
>by taking a strong psychedelic daily for a month in an initiation ritual.

Highly unlikely. A sophisticated religion creates a sophisticated
philosophy, like hinduism, buddism or christianity. There are yogis
and arhants and mystics who had similar experiences, those experiences
were of an extremely high order, and they speak of similar things.
It's all very sophisticated and plausible. The shamanic religions,
however, mostly communicate with elementals and produce lower magic.
This is not impressive at all and gives me no reason to believe that
they attained, with their drugs, something that Shankaracarya, Krishna
or Jesus failed to attain without any drugs at all.

>These kind of things happen in Amazonas.

I have no reason to believe that their experiences come even close to
the experiences of for instance Vivekananda, Yogananda or Ramana
Maharsi.

>Who are we to say that their religion is in
>any way inferior to some eastern tradition?

Well, you are obviously not competent to judge, because you don't even
believe in astral bodies. If there are no astral bodies, there is no
astral travel and therefore no shamans, and you have no point.

>>Furthermore, the thing is stored in the brain and after a while you're
>>stoned without even needing to take the stuff. This caused some guys
>>to blow their brains out.
>
>Psychedelics are not stored in the body.

Actually, LSD is crystallized in the brain, and THC is also stored.
Substances of XTC are accumulated in the bones and teeth. I don't know
about other drugs, we should consult the experts.

>>But, if you know how to look, you can see _where_ their experiences
>>take place, you can see how their higher bodies behave, and after
>>you've seen some cases, well, you decide that drugs are simply a
>>nuisance.
>
>You cannot see much without taking the psychedelic yourself.

This is bullshit.

>>Today, I think that _all_ drugs except marijuana are extremely harmful
>>and cause heavy damage to the brain,
>
>That belief is demonstrably false. Not all drugs cause brain damage.

:))
Prove it.

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X-Ftn-To: Marcus E Engdahl

mengdahl@cc.hut.fi (Marcus E Engdahl) wrote:
>In article ,
>alesclandre wrote:
>>Yeah, well, it is not because you had a bad argument with that person
>>that you must play the shrink and destabilize her even more.
>>The question was: how do you see her "astral body", not what you see.
>
>To be honest, I'd like to send people who believe in astral bodies to see a good
>shrink. I wonder how people get convinced about those kind of things.

This is just another way to say that you believe that you are a
physical thing without any other aspect. A very depressing thing to
believe. Maybe you are the one who needs a shrink, because such a
worldview is too much for any being to carry. ;)

How we get convinced? Well, a guy makes an astral projection before
me. While his astral body is outside his physical, I point my finger
to it, in spite of the fact that he keeps changing positions, just to
tease me. My finger is constantly pointed at his astral.
He returns to his body and tells me that if he didn't see it, he
wouldn't fuckin' believe it.
Now, that's just for start, but that makes you think about it.
The next thing is even stranger. Someone thinks about something, and
you say it out loud. It happens to you all the time, and you're always
right. You never make mistakes. You always know what they're thinking,
and you can confirm it with no problem. This makes the belief firmer.
Then you meet someone, look into his eyes and feel the deepest love
that you can feel, and this person has a vision of God, his heart
chakra "explodes", his Kundalini awakens and he goes into kriyas. When
you find out that you can sometimes do it at a distance - you just
meditate and think about someone and send love, and then you go to
your PC and pick up mail, where you find this person describing how
suddenly his consciousness expanded and he was everywhere and he felt
things he never felt before, well, this makes you think about your
"special" abilities as of something normal, and when someone visits
you at your house, and tells you that the vibe around you feels like
God's presence and floating in the clouds, then you're surprized
because you consider this to be perfectly normal, without even
noticing.
When your wife washes your clothes, and she notice that this new
detergent is very cool, but it makes only your clothes smell better,
not hers, you just smile because you already got used to much weirder
stuff.
Yoga is a very deep thing, you know. And enligthenment isn't just a
matter of changing perspective. It's a matter of being one with the
objective reality, and describing yourself, and affecting yourself.

But, this newsgroup seems so immature that I wonder whether it might
be the best thing for me to just leave. I don't want to disturb your
world.

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X-Ftn-To: Darko Majdic

Darko Majdic wrote:
>Sto se tice onoga sto radim, Bog zna sto radim.

Na Tvoju zalost.

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X-Ftn-To: alesclandre

alesclandre@yahoo.com (alesclandre) wrote:
>Yeah, well, it is not because you had a bad argument with that person
>that you must play the shrink and destabilize her even more.
>The question was: how do you see her "astral body", not what you see.
>I am interested in this too.

That's a rather obsolete question, because I'm a teacher of yoga. Of
course I can see that. A better question would be, how is it possible
that so many of you pose as some sort of authorities, and you're
actually surprized with the fact that somebody can actually do
something, instead of just giving aerobics classes.

>And by the way, no need for that kind of perception, anybody reading her posts
>can say such things, except you exaggerate a lot. I could say the same
>things about you, you could say the same thing about me.

You can say anything about me, but you will be wrong. I, however, will
be right.

>For a reason unknown to me, you were at once hostile to her. Why?

Why not?

>I do not see "astral body", but i read your posts too, Danijel :-)

It's not enough.

>Anybody on this newsgroup who has been there for a long time knows who you
>are. So stop trying to impress people.

Actually, I have to maintain an extremely understated image of myself,
in order for folks like you not to get ego-fits, and even _that_ seems
to be too much for you.

>I thought you had amended your ways, not so apparently.

You totally missed it.

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X-Ftn-To: Darko Majdic

Darko Majdic wrote:
>Ukratko, prema onom sto sam do sada vidio iz tvog pisanja, lazes kad god
>nemas valjane argumente, vrijedjas svakog tko nije tvoj vlastiti klon, ne
>podnosis vise od pola planete, mislis da te nitko ni u cem ne moze
>savjetovati... Sve u svemu despot i pol, nema sto.

U prijevodu, nisi u stanju naci nikakvu zamjerku sustini onoga sto
naucavam, ali Te svejedno smeta to sto nastupam iz pozicije nekoga tko
zna sto radi. A to bi htio da je rezervirano za Tebe, a?

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>

Yes, now they are. :)

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X-Ftn-To: Darko Majdic

Darko Majdic wrote:
>> Sve u svemu, namirisali ste krv i odmah ste digli glave. Ocito vam se
>> ne smije dati nimalo slobode, treba vas mlatiti trnovitom batinom i
>> onda cete biti dobri i pobozni, a cim vam se da moc, koristite je da
>> biste uklonili sve koji se s vama ne slazu.
>> Stoko licemjerna.
>
>Bojim se da je Giordano Bruno jos dobro prosao u usporedbi s onim sto bi
>ti radio s krscanima kad bi imao vlast. Torquemada ti nije ni za segrta
>dostojan.

Cuj, sto bih ja radio da dobijem vlast, to nije izvjesno i u pogledu
toga mozes samo nagadjati, ali to sto bi radili krscani, to je u sferi
cinjenica jer smo to vec vise puta imali prilike vidjeti.

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