X-Ftn-To: Sinisa Knezevi?

"Sinisa Knezevi?" wrote:
>> Mentalna. To je isto mental.
>
>A ja mislio da je to plafon? ;)) Zna li tko opis(iskustvo) visih stanja?

Zna. ;) Ali to vec nije sam tak.

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X-Ftn-To: Zoran Ver?ec

"Zoran Ver?ec" wrote:

>http://av1611.org/hell.html

Fuj. Jadna hrpa falsifikata namijenjena zastrasivanju. Samo jos jedan
dokaz da mrak vlada svijescu nekih ljudi. Poslusao sam onaj RAM file,
moras biti stvarno gluh i halucinirati da cujes ljudski glas, to meni
zvuci kao brzo kretanje sredstva - recimo mikrofon u podzemnoj pecini
u kojoj se brzo krece vruci plin ili nesto slicno. Spektar takvog
zvuka je takav da podsjeca na spektar glasa, a mogu se izolirati
izobliceni vokali i sl.

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X-Ftn-To: Radoslav Prica

Stovanje Felix!

felix@iskon.hr (Radoslav Prica) wrote:
> Uhhhh.. po mom misljenju samo je JEDAN vladar, samo je jedan KRALJ, samo
>je jedan Stvoritelj koji je SVE stvorio, samo je jedan.. onaj koji vlada
>SVUGDJE. Dakle IMHO Sotona NE vlada "svojim kraljevstvom" jer on ni nema
>kraljevstva u kojem bi vladao.

Jooj, kak volim promasene kontekste... ;)) Kraljevstvo treba shvatiti
kao metaforu, ne kao politicku ili zemljopisnu odrednicu, sotona
recimo vlada svijetom lazi i obmana, a Bog vlada svijetom stvarnosti,
takav kontekst je primjereniji. To je naravno pjesnicka slika koja ni
po cemu nije u suprotnosti s pogledom koji recimo kaze da je Bog
temelj svekolike stvarnosti, pa sve sto jest mora biti utemeljeno u
Bogu i na njemu sagradjeno.
Ide mi lagano na jetra hrpa gluposti koje neki krscani valjaju a koja
u osnovi kaze da je svijet sotonino kraljevstvo a Bog je negdje na
nebu i jadni se kriza kak je sve otislo u kurac. Nije svijet sotonino
kraljevstvo, laz je sotonino kraljevstvo, a lasci su mu podanici.

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wrote:
>Now the drug is showing it's full effect. All those rebels who even
>support pada are definitely preparing to go to hell. This man, a donkey
>rather, deserves a horrible death. It won't be a sin to kill a rascal like
>you. Even the shastras allow killing of animals like you who offend the
>acaryas. Shame on you. If you have any bit of shame left, go and hang
>yourself, that might save you from some of the punishment by yamaraja. You
>have reached your limits.

Now slow down with that stuff, isn't it big enough a problem that the
man is so much messed up and disoriented in life that he has to resort
to means such as incessant spitting all over people, and that his mind
is so destroyed that he thinks only of anal sex - you would want to
kill him? He is dead already, he died at the moment when he lost the
goal and purpose in his life, now everything is darkness to him. He
thinks that Prabhupada and all his disciples, and all his godbrothers,
are homosexuals, pedophiles, drug abusers etc. - that the entire
lineage is a dump of human slime. He thinks that he is a part of that
lineage. Now, how would you feel in such a situation? I think that Sri
Dharma will try to make him tea and be nice to him, while they discuss
the lessons of Puranjana's life, figuring out where it all went wrong.

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"sundarananda das" wrote:
>(To Danijel: You are right about this newsgroup to a certain extent, there
>is a lot of garbage here.
>But on occasion somebody writes some nice philosophical postings, perhaps
>you have noticed that.)

I have, and that is the reason why I keep filtering the slime away
instead of simply unsubscribing.

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pada@pon.net wrote:
>Prabhu, the problem is that Sridhara Maharaja and other deviants
...

A quote:
-----
From : "Devarsi Muni dasa"
Subject : PADA speaks from the pits of hell
Message-ID:

>And do not do this in ISKCON. Yet when we asked Vipramukhya why he was
>making GBC into gurus worshipped like Srila Prabhupada in 1978 he
>said:
>
>BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD TO DO SO BY SRIDHARA MAHAHARAJA,

If anyone said such a thing, it may be becasuse of this instruction
from Srila Prabhupada:

"For spiritual advancement of life, we must go to one who is actually
practicing spiritual life; not to some head of a mundane institution,
not to one who has offended his Spiritual Master in so many ways. I do
not wish to go into all details here, but I must inform you that this
Bon Maharaja may be considered as a black snake, and at the time of
His Disappearance, my Guru Maharaja did not even wish to have him in
His presence due to the character of this Bon Maharaja. So if you are
actually serious to take instructions from a siksa guru, I can refer
you to one who is most highly competent of all my god-brothers. This
is B.R. Sridhara Maharaja, whom I consider to be even my siksa guru,
so what to speak of the benefit that you can have from his
association."
-----

Now let me see: a person to whom Prabhupada refers to as his siksa
guru is now a deviant? Your guru's siksa guru, the most competent of
his godbrothers, is a deviant who endorses the pedophiles? Can't you
see a little problem in your system, like, that you've gone so far
that you are spitting all over everything that has any association
whatsoever with Prabhupada?
Or is "deviant pedophile" a term you use instead of "God's servant"?
Maybe we can make a PADA-adjusted dictionary of vaisnava terminology,
where other terms would be adequatly translated?

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X-Ftn-To: Dario Bernobic

"Dario Bernobic" wrote:
>Religijozni ljudi vjeruju da ce nkon smrti ici u raj ako su bili 'dobri'
>odnosno u pakao ako su bili 'zlocesti' . Zanima me sto se dogadja s
>ateistima nakon sto umru. Npr, ako ne vjeruju u Boga trebali bi ic u pakao,
>ali kako ce u pakao kad ne vjeruju ni da vrag postoji.
>Ima li tu kakve logike i (ili) pravde. Molim razjasnjenje

Kao prvo, treba rasclaniti nekoliko stvari. Prva dvojbena stvar je da
se covjeku desavaju stvari samo ako u njih vjeruje. To znaci da ako
dijete jos ne zna da vatra pece i u nju stavi ruku, nece se opeci. To
nije istina, vatra pece neovisno o necijem subjektivnom stavu o njenom
postojanju i djelovanju.

Druga sporna stvar je da religiozni ljudi vjeruju u raj i pakao. Imas
religioznih ljudi koji ne vjeruju u taj koncept zivota nakon okoncanja
fizicke egzistencije, npr. vjeruju u reinkarnaciju.

Treca sporna stvar je veza izmedju djela i njihovih posljedica. Ako
netko pije, drogira se, tuce zenu i siluje kcerku, ako promotris
njegovo stanje svijesti, onda ce Ti pojam pakla postati jasan. Ima
smisla vjerovati da ce njegova egzistencija nakon fizicke smrti imati
kvalitetu kakva odgovara njegovim sklonostima i stanju svijesti, dakle
da ce ga njegova narav odvesti u pakao. Za takvo nesto nije potrebno
nekakvo dodatno vjerovanje u pakao, on moze ne vjerovati u pakao a da
njegovo djelovanje bude od kvalitete pakla. Isto tako ne mora
vjerovati u raj da bi njegovo postojanje bilo od kvalitete raja. Ako
sjednes na autobus koji vodi u Varazdin po svoj ces se prilici naci u
Varazdinu bez obzira vjerujes li da ima Varazdina ili ne. Isto vazi i
za ostale stvari.

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X-Ftn-To: Bruno Babic

Bruno.Babic@panda-bbs.fido.hr (Bruno Babic) wrote:
> RP> ;)))))))))))) Momak, nekaj ti si gadno zmesalo. NISAM KRSCANIN..
> RP> ako si zaboravio..;)) prema tome tvoj pokusaj cinizma je promalis
> RP> metu;) A osim toga da si malo pazljivije citao procitao bi da lijepo
> RP> pise gore da je i taj mali zeleni koji je sfusao svoju maturalnu
> RP> radnju iz genetike, za mene samo JEDNO BOZIJE stvorenje. Kao ti, kao
> RP> ja kao.. sve ostalo.
>
>Nema veze sto nisi krscanin... hocu reci drugo, a to je ono gore. Ako se
>kojim slucajem dokaze da "tvoj" bog ne postoji, ti bi i dalje vjerovao da
>on postoji. Barem sam ja tako shvatio.

Kakvih imas dokaza za takve tvrdnje? Daj molim Te. Tvoji pokusaji
negiranja Bozjeg postojanja posve su neozbiljni i zasnovani na
logickim manjkavostima.

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"Devarsi Muni dasa" wrote:
>indigestion. Where were you when Danijel was blaspheming Srila Prabhupada?

One can blaspheme the Lord, not Prabhupada.

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a_well_wisher@my-deja.com wrote:
>In article ,
> wrote:
>> Ananda das, Jahnu, Kishore K, Devarsi, Sundeep, all are wrong. But
>> Puranjana, the founder-acarya of Gopi Bhava Club is perfect!
>>
>I'm not sure about the Puranjana being perfect bit, but you seem to
>have the rest of it right.

:))))
Yes, a good point, but I would call everyone to observe the foul
stench that spreads from this NG and try to figure out the reasons.
You are all so emerged in Krsna consciousness that this group has
worse contents than alt.sex.pedophilia.anal would, if it by some
chance existed. The method of discussion is made of insults and
garbage. When I said that HK approach to spirituality is wrong, I was
of course attacked, but all of my points were later proven correct.
Let me quote myself:

--
Now, their conclusion would probably be that the fallen guys didn't
follow the principles, they didn't chant enough, they didn't
distribute Prabhupada's books enough, and therefore they've fallen
into bla bla whatever. I have a simpler explanation. The method is
worthless. It doesn't work. They could imitate the results for a
while, but the imitation is demanding and tiresome and they grew weary
of it, so at one point they started acting naturally - for the
distorted condition of their system, of course. Since they've
programmed themselves into thinking that women are stupid geese who
tempt righteous men into sin, they naturally turned gay, they found
themselves some guy or a kid to have sex with, it's a logical
consequence of the programming. It's the same with everything else.
The conclusion is that the method didn't have any lasting positive
effects, but it had lasting negative effects that are very visible all
over the Internet and everywhere else. You tell me that folks get
enlightened by following the method - prove it! Give me evidence. A
statistically relevant number of people who practiced the method and
achieved enlightenment - the real one, the guy has to be far superior
in creativity, love and personal brilliance compared to the average
human being.

By one saying of the mantra they were supposed to become enlightened.
And I agree, the mantra really does that. Only they never said it.
They just repeated the words without the background and imagined the
results because they desperately wanted it to work. It didn't and now
they are human ruins. Very bad for health. ;)
--
...
I _observe_ that the _results_ of the method suck. To disprove that,
you have to either prove that my observations are wrong, and the
results don't suck, or you have to apply a different approach and say
that the original method given by Caitanya is good and gave excellent
results when it was practiced correctly (for that you can probably
quote evidence), but in the meantime something was either lost or
misinterpreted and thus the problems.
--
...
>You immediately come to the conclusion that the method of chanting is
>defect.

This conclusion is inescapable. No evidence was given to prove that it
has any positive effects, and the evidence that backs my thesis is
provided daily by the method's very practitioners.
--
...
>And how did they perform the
>chanting? Was it free from Namaparadha? If not, then their chanting will not
>give the desired result. You hastily conclude that the ISKCON devotees you
>have observed performed mantra-japa perfectly. But it isn´t necessarily so.

I don't know how they performed anything, I simply observe the
condition of their minds, energy flows and bodies.
They are powered by anger and hate. Of course, they'll quote some
scripture in which such behavior is justified, like, it's good to spit
all over your enemies if they're the really bad demons or mayavadis or
ritviks or GBC homosexuals or whatever. But from what I see, they are
so drained, so utterly devastated as persons, that intense negative
motivations are the only thing that gives them enough power to keep
existing. There's no love, no bliss, no ecstasy of realization,
nothing, just talk about those things, but anger and hate are real,
they can stimulate them. Spit on the enemy and feel good. Maybe you'll
even convince yourself that you're good for something. That kind of
thinking. This is serious pranic and astral imbalance, and it is close
to serious illness and death. All the natural pranic flows were closed
with the strict regulations, but the higher ones that are supposed to
substitute them were not opened - lower joys were prohibited, but the
higher ones are missing, and the only joy in life is imagined,
virtual. Let's pretend to be happy, smile for the tourists. But your
pranic system breaks, you dry up and die, and before that you become a
twisted shadow of your former being. Those are the results which I
have observed in _all_ Hare Krishna communities that I've met.
What was I supposed to conclude, that the method is good but nobody
did it well? It's more likely that it is totally wrong, that the
entire approach sucks.
--

Now I leave you to think about it.

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