"sundarananda das" wrote:
>Hare is an interesting article by Vamadeva Shastri (David Frawley) on
>Kundalini-yoga which might be of help to Danijel Turina.

The text is useful, although the author doesn't seem to grasp the
essence of the matter. And regarding its relevance to me, the time
will tell, as it always does. If anyone wants to be somewhat better
informed, there are several good texts on Kundalini on the net:

Spiritweb resources (FAQs by Kurt Keutzer):
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/Yoga/kundalini-faq.html
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/kundalini-yoga.html
http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/siddha-mahayoga.html

Kurt Keutzer's personal page:
http://www-cad.eecs.berkeley.edu/~keutzer/personal.html

Yogi Tom Aston's pages on K-awakening:
http://www.tantrictom.demon.co.uk/ (seems not to work)

Kundalini Mailing-list resources:
http://www.list-server.net/kundalini/index.html

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"sleepwalker" wrote:

>mi jesmo dostojni protivnici

:))))) Daj me nemoj nasmijavati, dvije suvisle recenice nisi u stanju
sloziti.

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"sleepwalker" wrote:
>Liber Al Vel Legis
>
>51. Svojom Sokolovom glavom kljujem Isusove o?i dok on visi na kri?u.
>
>52. Udaram krilima u lice Muhamedovo i osljepljujem ga.
>
>52. Svojim kand?ama kidam meso Indijca i Budiste, Mongolca i Dina.
>
>Aliester Crowley, Knjiga zakona
>
>"?ini ?to ti je volja i neka ti to bude cijeli zakon!"

I umre Crowley u ludilu, i pametni ga ljudi zaboravise, a budale mu se
dodjose pokloniti.

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X-Ftn-To: Zoran Vranjican

"Zoran Vranjican" wrote:
>E, pa picka vam materina, znao sam da cete okupirati i ovu grupu. Kaj, nije
>vam dosta hr.fido.religija? Skotovi! Krvopije! Pa, eto vam, pozderite si i
>ovu grupu, jebo vam pas mater religioznu!

Za to se obrati ovome Kolaricu, koji smatra da su njegove misli toliko
bitne da ih nitko ne smije propustiti, pa kad se otvori neka nova
grupa, on i u nju crossposta. Jos malo ga trpim a onda mi ide u
killfile za sve grupe.

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ananda@coastnet.com (Ananda das) wrote:
>Perhaps there is some misunderstanding of each other's position, but
>I see much in common between the writers. Jahnu states, citing Srila
>Prabhupada, that the material world is temporary. Danijel agrees,
>accepting this as axiomatic: "The material world ... is of course
>temporary...." Danijel is also right on three of his subsequent points,
>that the transcendentalist does not need to despise the world, but
>merely to understand that it is not illusory, merely temporary.
>A knowledge of the world's temporary nature naturally leads a person
>to seek out the permanent substratum, namely the Supreme Person Sri
>Krsna, who is the author (the cause of all causes) and the merciful
>destination as well. On the other hand, an excess of antipathy to the
>world is merely the obverse of an excess of attraction towards it;
>in either case one's mind is dwelling overmuch on the transient
>and flickering mundane creation.
...

I just hope that the amount of this kind of on-topic writing will
increase at the expense of petty bickering.

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strpic@linux.hr (Vid Strpic) wrote:
>>Mislis li na Pascal-ovu matricu?
>
>Ma nisam siguran, netko je jednom rekao da mu se vise isplati vjerovati
>u Boga ako nije siguran postoji li ili ne, jer ako se utvrdi da Bog ipak
>postoji, a on nije vjerovao u njega, onda ce na***ati... da li je to bio
>B.Pascal, nisam siguran. Mozda se netko drugi sjeca?

Da, to se zove Pascalova matrica, 2x2,

|postoji | ne postoji
-----------+---------+-----------
vjerujem | |
-----------+---------+-----------
ne vjerujem| X |
-----------+---------+-----------

Loser-mode je oznacen s X. ;)

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soybean2k@stop.hotmail.com wrote:
>>Darth Vader as the avatar. If you are able to feel it, then you have
>>surpassed the heart, you are able to feel with the higher bodies. Higher
>>aspects of love. Throat, forehead and the crown.
>
>This, along with your the tendency of your "students" to confuse
>Star Trek, an American television series, with spirituality, should
>be enough to convince anyone whose eyes are open that you're
>an especially ripe hippie with a little more education and a little more
>attitude than most.

First of all, it's not Star Trek, it's Star Wars. Second, the allusion
refers to a state of consciousness far above your grasp - it was
written for the yogis from the Kundalini-list and my students, not for
Hare Krishna beginners who are dependent on form.

>Enjoy the Star Trek reruns we send over! Glad our material American
>culture is able to give you so much pleasure.

Actually great wisdom can be found in everything, and some great
archetypes are embodied in some popular works. I don't classify it as
material and non-material, I classify it as beneficial and
non-beneficial. Lord of the Rings is at some places as powerful as the
Bible, Quenta Silmarillion is at some places far clearer. "Empire
strikes back" has some spots that are so powerful, that I find it
utterly amazing; Matrix is at some places as direct as Vivekacudamani.
You just have to be able to recognize the universal truths and ignore
the wrappings. But that takes an open mind. I hope you will let yours
take a walk every now and then, before it atrophies.

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soybean2k@stop.hotmail.com wrote:
>dturina@geocities.com (Danijel Turina) wrote:
>
>> I hope you didn't engage the warp drive yet. :)
>
>Nope, no hippie stuff here! Warp drive. Gee whiz, man.
>I *saw* your website. *You watch Star Trek.* Automatic hippie.

Yeah, like, that's such a powerful argument that I'll pass out, man.
;> Are you serious with that hippie thing or have you chewed on some
weed that ain't quite good for your health?

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soybean2k@stop.hotmail.com wrote:
>dturina@geocities.com (Danijel Turina) wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry, but I don't share your opinion on Prabhupada; as a matter
>> of fact, I don't even see him as a figure of any importance
>> whatsoever:
>
>Well, you certainly spend a good deal of time focusing on a figure
>you claim to see as one of no importance.

Yes I do. It's a nice exercise to attack and destroy a false system.

>Of course, according to
>*any* translation of Bhagavad-Gita, the self-realized soul sees
>all the conditioned entities as equal.

By Prabhupada's translation, maybe. Actually it says that those who
know, see the same essence in all beings. (5.18)
That is quite different, of course.

>> his teachings found a fertile ground in the hippie era,
>> but it was soon analyzed and rejected as inferior, by everyone but a
>> handful of fanatics. The numbers seem to speak for themselves, since a
>> large number of his disciples already left ISKCON, seeing it as a
>> failure. Besides, I fail to notice the hippie reasoning in my
>> arguments;
>
>Then you've either got blinders on, or you're being openly dishonest.
>Your reasoning is ALL hippie stuff: the "truth within," and so forth;

Calling everything that is true "hippie stuff" might help you to
preserve your own illusions, but it does nothing more.

>You're a New Age fellow.

Actually I'm very, very old age fellow.

>> as before, you again put words in my mouth and misinterpret
>> my arguments in some strange way that seems logical to you, because
>> you find some similarity with something else that you read somewhere,
>> but that superficial attitude is of no help in a serious discussion.
>
>Nice ad hominem! Looking forward to more like it.

The truth is ad hominem if you are a liar.

>> You can attempt to underestimate my teachings, but that will not
>> decrease their value. If you are so good at analyzing people's
>> motivations, why don't you reverse your scope and direct it at
>> yourself?
>
>You don't call that sort of stuff hippie rhetoric? I do.

I call it Mt 7,3 and Lk 6,41.
"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do
not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

>> You might end up gaining a substantial benefit from such a
>> change. Try to see your motivations for adopting a Hare Krishna
>> philosophy, which is a mental prison of rules, regulations and
>> limitations?
>
>Unlike hippies, I *like* restrictions. I'm not looking to live
>in an unrestricted world that's all about freedom and lack of
>limitation. Hippies are; they're welcome to it. My mental prison
>suits me fine, thanks -- I want to serve God, not be Him. I have
>no interest in a spiritual which will free me from my limitation.
>My limitation is self-imposed and a welcome, light yoke: I am
>the slave of Krsna. That is how I want it, thanks.

Then keep your walls. But the truth will set you free. Eventually...
when you dare to open up to it. Not before.

>> Do you really think that you can hide in such a small
>> world?
>
>Hide from what?

From God. God is the reality without any limitations whatsoever. No
limitations can enter, they all belong to the relative sphere of
existence. Only those who are ready to surrender their own
constructions become liberated, not others.

>> If you close your mind in a can, the vast universe will still
>> exist on the outside. Can you accept its challenge? Can you drop the
>> imitations and breathe in the world that has no walls anywhere?
>
>You have truly out-hippied yourself here. Please differentiate between
>your philosophy as indicated in the paragraph above and the hippie
>philosophy.

How could I, when "hippie philosophy" isn't clearly defined? You just
make up some label and put it on the stuff that you don't like, this
time it's "hippie stuff", before it was "19 century romanticism",
tomorrow it will be something else. It doesn't mean that those labels
say anything really significant, they just point out your fears.

>> That is, of course, true. Those who know have God's presence as a
>> guide, and such a guide is far more reliable than a book of
>> regulations. After all, the teachings of Jesus are all about the Holy
>> Spirit, who carves the Law into people's hearts; the higher love that
>> does no harm, with or without the regulations.
>
>"All is permissible, but not all is recommended...Am I then to
>live without the Law? By no means!" --St. Paul.

"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to
treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets."
Mt 7,12 ? This law?

Or maybe Mt 22,34-40?
"One of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, 'Teacher,
which is the great commandment in the Law?' And He said to him, 'YOU
SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR
SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND. This is the great and foremost
commandment. The second is like it, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS
YOURSELF. On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the
Prophets.'"

Or is that too hippie stuff? ;))

>Well, they come into this newsgroup full of curse words, evidently unable
>to rid themselves of the defending propensity, which *any* translation
>of the Srimad-Bhagavatam will tell you is an animalistic propensity. So
>your lack of limitations has resulted in students without self-discipline.
>You must be very proud.

Yes, indeed I am.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>Devotees don't really like it, but
>we have to be here because we are fighting an ideological war against
>people with evil intent..So the devotees are here to fight against
>evil.

You are here because you are an aggressive abusive psychopath who
thrives on verbal violence, and justifies it with lots of "spiritual"
excuses. Like, Arjuna had to fight the enemies blah blah. Arjuna was
the kindest person possible. With your degree of human values, you
would be much better identified with the slime killed by him and Krsna
on some battlefield. You have no right to call upon the scriptures,
because all of them will testify against you before God. You will be
laughed upon and called a liar that you are.

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