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Vid.Strpic@warp.fido.hr (Vid Strpic) wrote:

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> * Originally By: Don Alt
> * Originally To: Chuck Slotter
> * Original Subj: The 10 Commandments
> * Original Date: 01 Oct 99 19:03:14
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Kakvo je ovo smece? Zvuci isto ko one budale od hare krishni s kojima
sam pokusao razgovarati na alt.religion.vaisnava.

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"Devarsi Muni dasa" wrote:
>>Bhagavad-gita 3,46:
>>To the enlightened brahmana
>>The Vedas are of no greater use
>>Than a small well
>>In a place flooded with water.
>
>I can see why you are confused. Chapter 3 of Sri gita has only 43 verses.

It's a typo, 2 is close to 3 on the keyboard, but Gita is not that
difficult to search through.

>Did you make up the others yourself?

:))) Of course your sweet little Prabhupada didn't translate upanisads
and Sankaracarya's comments, so you really wouldn't know anything
about amrtabindupanisad and vivekacudamani? How bad. ;) At least he
didn't corrupt them. I would really like to see him try to translate
advayatarakopanisad or yogakundaliniupanisad, or yogacudamaniupanisad.
It would really be funny to watch him find Krsna there, too, when they
speak about brahman. ;) His attempt to translate isopanisad was very
"original". :)

>I thought you were self realized,
>Danijel? Surely you realize that the verse you are faultily referring to is
>in chapter 2.

If that's the biggest thing you could find to argue with my point,
then I hope that you enjoy defeat.

>"All purposes served by a small well can at once be served by a great
>reservoir of water. Similarly, all the purposes of the Vedas can be served
>to one who knows the purpose behind them"

Bwahahahaa... That must be Prabhupada's "translation". :) Of course
you have problems with understanding. All other translations that I've
now read to double-check myself are in alignment with my translation,
so I don't see why I should be concerned with Prabhupada's ignorance.

>Guest: Many books from the East advocate the, without any success in yoga,
>before one has success, the kundalini must be opened. What do you think
>about this?

You ask Prabhupada about Kundalini? He was not even
Kundalini-awakened, and neither was his guru. Caitanya was, however,
and so were his direct disciples. They were displaying kriyas and
other symptoms of awakening (you would call those symptoms of bhakti).

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strpic@linux.hr (Vid Strpic) wrote:

>Ah, kako volim glupo filozofiranje ;-)

Evo i Tebi grupe. ;)))

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soybean2k@hotmail.com wrote:
>> My conception is called experience. I speak only of things I've seen,
>
>Et cetera. This sort of reasoning -- that "personal experience" is
>certainly the best and probably the only reliable indicator of
>a given thing's validity or lack thereof -- is a very recent
>development, philosophically speaking. It has its roots in the work
>of the English Romantic poets and the American Transcendentalist
>philosophers of the 19th century

It has even deeper roots in the upanisads and their comments:

Amrtabindupanisad 8,18:
The wise, having studdied the scriptures,
Having attended to the realization of knowledge,
Desiring grain, he leaves the husks,
Including this and other texts.

Bhagavad-gita 3,46:
To the enlightened brahmana
The Vedas are of no greater use
Than a small well
In a place flooded with water.

Vivekacudamani 61-64:
If the supreme truth is unrevealed,
The study of scriptures is fruitless.
Even after the supreme truth is realized,
the study of scriptures is useless.

In the maze of words the mind is lost
Like a man in a dense forest.
Therefore the truth of the self must be received
from the one who knows the truth.

Of what use is veda to the man
Bitten by the serpent of ignorance?
Of what use are the scriptures, chants
Or any medicine
Other than the highest knowledge?

A disease is not cured
By saying the name of the cure
Without taking it.
The liberation is not attained
By thinking about brahman
Without realizing it.

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"Devarsi Muni dasa" wrote:
>Anger can be the enemy of the bhakta when it controls the mind, but there is
>a time when anger can be applied correctly, such as now. The devotee can
>use anger as a tool, and when used in the service of the Lord (to defend the
>Lord and his devotees) then that anger becomes spiritualized. If you have
>never heard of anger being used in the service of the Lord, then you do not
>know of Bhakti-rasamrita-sindhu.
>
> vaksyamanair vibhavadyaih pustim bhaya-ratir gata
> bhayanakabhidho bhakti-raso dhirair udiryate
>
>"When devotion is mixed with anger in the heart of the devotee, the taste is
>called raudra-bhakti-rasa." (B-r-s: 4.6.1)

Better read Gita 3,36-37, 5,23-26, with special accent on 16,21-22, it
applies better.

>never at others. Therefore, my anger at you for your treatment of Srila
>Prabhupada is completely authorized.

You are just deluded and conditioned, and you haven't yet developed
the human qualities needed for maintaining a calm and focused mind in
a difficult situation. You better start with some effective practice,
instead of quoting scriptures to justify your defects.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>>They were all full of anger and resentment, as
>>well. I suppose you just follow your guru on the path to enlightenment
>>as he defined it to you. My mistake. Like guru, like disciples.
>
>Again you got it all wrong. Srila Prabhupada just told it like it. He
>finally came and gave us reality, exactly as it is stated by Sri
>Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita - this material world is temporary place
>full of suffering.

I think I remember that this attitude is what you objected to the
"impersonalists": thinking that the world is an illusion to be
transcended. The material world, and all of the Creation, is of course
temporary, because it exists within time. But it is not illusory, it
is a reflection of God's nature on the ever changing matter. It is
necessary to know God in order to understand his Creation, but then
there is no need to spit on the world and escape from it, one can live
in the world without becoming of the world. That is the state of
liberation, which consists of knowledge that there's nothing to be
liberated from, because God's nature is in everything. A real yogi is
content within the highest consciousness even in hell. His only wish
is to remain in alignment with God's will, and he has no other
interests. If God wants him to leave the world, he will. If God wants
him to be reborn and fulfill a mission, he will. He remains content in
knowledge that there can be no fall, because God knows him in his true
nature and will never leave him.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>On Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:42:39 GMT, dturina@geocities.com (Danijel
>Turina),wrote:
>
>>Maybe it would be best if you _all_ just keep quiet, because
>>everything you do is some sort of a defamation. Those "anal-homo"
>>situations are, as it seems, the only visible effects of repeating the
>>mantra with Prabhupada's method.
>
>As usual you make little sense, because the effect of following Srila
>Prabhupada's process is that one develops all good qualities.

Bwaahahahahaaaaaaa!! ROTFL :))))))))

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>I just thought it was funny, because you are a bozo, and one of your
>disciples is called by the name Bozo. Don't that strike you as
>somewhat peculiar? I mean, the obvious connection cannot possibly have
>escaped your sharp wit. Or did you finally opt for lithium?

It can be funny only if two conditions are fulfilled, 1. that one
doesn't know Croatian language, and 2. that one's mind is seriously
limited. Since none of the conditions apply, it doesn't strike me as
funny.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>or something. I tell you, some psychiatric would have a field day
>going over just one of your schizoid postings.

Just don't let them see your postings, and you'll get to keep your
freedom. Persons who are invoking psychiatrists so much must have
something in their subconscious minds that keeps reminding them of
their needs. ;> ;))

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"Sundarananda Dasa" wrote:
>> >No, but you are the guy who thinks he is Jesus.
>>
>> Naaah, you mixed your pots. Just because Jesus and I know the same
>> reality and testify for it doesn't mean that we're one person. Many
>
>What do you _really_ know about what Jesus experienced?

Everything. I know him within, and he knows me.

>> are the surfaces of water, one is the moon that is reflected on them.
>> What do you expect anyway, that I teach yoga, and that I do not know
>> God intimately?
>
>You are not even teaching yoga Danijel, because you haven´t learnt it from a
>proper guru. Every serious student of any yoga system knows that it has to
>be studied under the guidance of a guru who has the proper qualification.
>And you are not qualified, because you have no guru.

:) That's a nice theory, tell it to Jesus. He "wasn't qualified"
either. To you, he would be just a blaspheming carpenter's son from
Galilea. No prophets came from there, therefore he's not authentic. ;)

>What you are teaching
>your students is what you think is right, but it is not real kundalini yoga.
>Even if it was, that system is very insignificant in comparison to
>bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga is the highest yoga system, as said by Sri Krishna
>in Bhagavad-gita.

"It's not, but even if it was, I would be better". :))) What a bunch
of crap. You don't even know what Kundalini is. Kundalini is the
engine behind bhakti. Without the awakened and active Kundalini
Shakti, bhakti is just an empty show. Kundalini is the force that
aligns the bhakta with God, it's the God's inner presence. A real guru
can awaken a person's Kundalini with mere presence, word, look or a
touch. That is what tells you if someone is qualified, not his
lineage. A real guru, who is able to awaken God's presence in people,
_is_ God's presence. Lineages are good for maintaining such presence
on earth, but when lineages are corrupted, the new ones have to be
founded. The first guru has no guru besides God. The real guru is to
be found within.

>>Then I would be a fake just like Prabhupada, who
>> didn't see God, but he taught about him. You guys are completely
>> confused. First you say that I'm a false guru because I do not know
>> God. When I write from the position of the one who knows, you say that
>> I'm a megalomaniac. Make up your minds. The texts that I wrote
>
>First you showed off as being a teacher of kundalini-yoga, but then your
>insanity began to show through in your "I am a Messiah like Jesus" postings.

What do you expect, me being a shaktipat master, and not knowing God
intimately? That would be a contradiction, and I could be rightfully
accused of posing. But since I am not, you should have expected my
degree of realization, and not have taken it as a surprise.

>>from
>> nirvikalpa samadhi, those written from the position of the Absolute,
>> you confuse with the relative. Your minds are in a blur and you lack
>> any realization. How could you possibly understand me? Any real
>
>I don´t even want to understand you, because I don´t care what you
>experience. This nirvikalpasamadhi is like a drop of water in comparison to
>the nectar of meditation on Sri Krishna.

Since you have no knowledge of either, your word on these matters is
irrelevant.

>The Srimad Bhagavatam says that the bliss of realization of the impersonal
>aspect of God is very insignificant in comparison to the realization of the
>personal God Sri Krishna. This is also our direct experience.

No, this is _my_ direct experience. But from your standpoint,
realization of the impersonal aspect is far, far above you. You are
just putting up an empty show without any substance whatsoever. That
has been demonstrated by your reactions to my words spoken from atma
brahma advaita state. If you had direct experience of that, it would
have been completely normal for you that I am One in all beings.

>>bhakta
>> would know me instantly, because his realization of God would be real
>> and he could understand my words. That is not the case with you.
>
>The fact is that the Vaishnavas have realized the impersonal aspect of God
>as well,

Yes, all vaisnavas have, but here I saw none of those.

>and they have gone beyond that point to realizing higher levels of
>the Divinity.

That is also true, but it has nothing to do with you.

>You will not get there as long as you are being offensive to
>the great souls who can teach and help you attain that realization of God.

I am already there.

>>You
>> get yourself entangled in your silly ideas of insult of authority,
>> which is completely ridiculous since you are the embodiments of
>> insult.
>
>The Guru is not an authority. Guru is the meeting point between the
>searching soul and God.

That is true.

>Acharyam mam vijaniyat; "know the Acharya (Guru) to be My very Self", says
>Sri Krishna in the Bhagavata-purana.

Of course. My very Self is the ultimate guru.

>Sri Krishna is in everybody´s heart in the form of Paramatma, and by His
>guidance the soul gets connection with a Guru coming in disciplic succession
>who will personally guide the soul on the spiritual path of love and
>devotion to Sri Krishna.
>You haven´t understood even this basic truth.

:) Not only have I understood it, I have implemented it in my life. I
found God within my own being and realized Him, and He guided me.

>It was immature of those devotees to speak like that.

You too speak like that, because you are ignorant and arrogant.

>A true Vaishnava
>doesn´t criticize other religions or gurus without a good reason. It is a
>totally different matter when persons like you begin vomiting alll kinds of
>blasphemic words, then it is proper to present the Absolute Truth and even
>criticize the imperfect paths

Yes, that's why I'm attacking you right now.

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