soybean2k@hotmail.com wrote:
>As for me, I'll do my part directly. Danijel is doing his dirty work
>in alt.religion.vaisnava, which is my house and yours, and while you
>may like your house stinking of slander and offense, I don't.

Pada and FWR wrote here before me, didn't they? I didn't get an
impression that your house was that sweet smelling. ;)
One could get an impression that two fractions of a homosexual
pedophile cult are throwing shit on one another, and that it's the
obvious fault of the founder of such a foul creation, namingly
Prabhupada. Fruits tell stories about the tree.

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"Devarsi Muni dasa" wrote:
>the pits of hell, and you encourage Danijel by your lack of anger.

Well, that's the first time that I see that anger is a necessary
condition for spiritual advancement. But oops, I already read that in
Prabhupada's books. They were all full of anger and resentment, as
well. I suppose you just follow your guru on the path to enlightenment
as he defined it to you. My mistake. Like guru, like disciples.

> You and he will share the same fate.

But of course. God is the ultimate fate of all beings. You think that
I'll burn in hell, but I think that you will go to heaven. Unless you
yourself choose the qualities that are completely inconsistent with
heaven, like anger, resentment, hatred, greed, violence or something
similar. Those lower qualities will resonate with the lower vibratory
planes. Any time you choose to give them up, and desire God, you will
ascend to heaven. I will welcome you there.

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"Devarsi Muni dasa" wrote:
>Saving Danijel can only be done if he begs forgiveness fromn Srila
>Prabhupada.

Sorry, but I'm saved already, and I really enjoy it. I wish the same
for you. :) :* ;)

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X-Ftn-To: Vid Strpic

strpic@linux.hr (Vid Strpic) wrote:
>Na molbu Damira Orlica, koji nakratko dolazi u posjet metropoli,
>organizirat ce se mali nesluzbeni religija meeting. Ako kome pase, neka
>dodje.

Vidimo se.

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soybean2k@hotmail.com wrote:
>Again I needs must point out the profound American/English Romantic
>Movement influence in your thought.

Does that movement hurt you in some way? I never gave it any thought
whatsoever, yet you keep bringing it up. Why is that so?

>Here you use a tactic popular
>among American Evangelical Christians: "What if I'm right"? Nuts,
>Danijel, anyone can play that game: what if the People's Temple was
>right? I mean, if they're right, then we're all on the wrong boat,
>and may have missed it entirely, right? And what if the Druids are
>right, eh? What about that?

It's a non-issue, you've missed me by a mile with your character
assessment, it's a fact known to people who know me personally and who
write on this NG (bjuretic and ddzeko), Damir was here with me
watching South Park cartoons yesterday, so he could get a really good
estimate of my moods. So, I don't think that you're in any position to
throw literature at me, you've simply missed the target, and the only
question that hangs in the air is "are you able to see me as anything
else but a sleezy piece of human garbage". Because that is what this
NG's reaction sums up to. I have to be a total piece of crap in order
for you guys to survive my criticism. If I'm not, then you'll be
forced to ask yourself questions about the validity of my accusations,
perhaps even re-read your books and seek evidence for my claims;
re-state the cornerstones of your philosophy, etc. You don't want to
do that, so you'll rather kick my ass. Remember that this is what
almost always happens to those who say the truth, which is different
from people's idea of it. It's always the easiest choice to kill the
messenger. Kill the voice. It disturbs. It wakes up. Bad. Kill. Now!
Good luck.

>my chances. I'm betting when the Messiah comes He won't be trolling
>Usenet.

No, of course not. He would come on a cloud, accompanied by seven
legions of angels with trumpets and harps, surrounded by his glory.
Just beware that you don't crucify another carpenter's son for
blasphemy.


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soybean2k@hotmail.com wrote:
>That makes you a troll. I am sorry to hear that Lithium Carbonate
>is in short supply over there in Croatia. I will give a little donation
>to the Red Cross.

In spite of your opinion of me, I think that you're a really nice guy,
and it isn't a pretty sight to see you behave like a type B loser.

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cAEsar wrote:

Daj please pocni malo quotati, uopce se ne kuzi na kaj odgovaras i
kome.

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dturina@geocities.com (Danijel Turina) wrote:
>overflowing. I did not come here to get anything for you, because if
===
Sorry about the typo, I was writing a bit too fast - it should be
"from", not "for".

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X-Ftn-To: Petar

"Petar" wrote:
>Danijel Turina wrote in article
>> Pa nikakav, naime isti kao sto ima moje sadasnje smatranje da smo kao
>> fizicka bica nastali evolucijom od nizih bica, i kao sto ima moje
>> znanje o tome da je moje fizicko tijelo nastalo tako sto su se moji
>> roditelji jebali.
>> Pitanje je sto drzis Bogom, i sto drzis da bi Bogu trebalo pripisivati
>> kao svojstva i utjecaje, ako imas losu definiciju Boga, onda ce je
>> svasta poljuljati, ali ako vidis Boga kao temelj na kojem je sve
>> izgradjeno, onda su stvari kao sto su evolucija, vanzemaljci i slicno
>> samo sporedne informacije, a ne nesto sto ce u znacajnijoj mjeri
>> utjecati na svjetonazor.
>
>Imas pravo , vjerovatno imam losu definiciju Boga , zato mi je vjera
>poljuljana.
>Volio bi da mi pokusas prenjeti svoju sliku Boga .Kako ti zamisljas Boga ?

Bog je najvisa stvarnost. Bog je stvarnost nad svim ostalim
stvarnostima, ono na cemu je sve ostalo izgradjeno, temelj svih
temelja i izvor svih kvaliteta. Svijest, ljubav, postojanje, znanje i
sve ostalo sto vrijedi takvo je zbog toga sto ima svoj izvor u Bogu.
Bog je najvisa stvarnost u svemu, a kroz svoju stvarnost bice se moze
pribliziti Bogu. Dakle put Bogu je od stvarnosti prema najvisoj
stvarnosti.

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"Devarsi Muni dasa" wrote:
>What I found was that you have been arrogant and disrespectful from the word
>go.

Actually that's highly disputable. I wrote according to the usenet
etiquette, under my real name and with a valid e-mail address, I used
logical arguments and with them I have shredded the hare krishna
teaching. That must feel painful and insulting, but that's your
problem, you're the one following a false system that doesn't lead to
God. If you have problems with the consequences of that fact, that is
to be expected, if I followed a false system founded by a fake, I
would feel very threatened by the reality, as well.

>You seem to think that this behavior is justified by some special
>circumstances that you present, namely that you have come to challenge the
>devotees to defend their faith. You expressed a desire to help us sharpen
>our skills, and an interest in seeing if we might be willing to give up the
>aspects of our faith that we do not defend so well.

Actually that's just a part of it. You see, I know several things.
First, your system completely sucks. That's a fact that nobody managed
to even question, because the results are more than obvious. My
arguments were met with incoherent ranting and raving spiced with
aggressive insults.
My question was: why would someone follow a system that sucks? There
are several possibilities. First, he might think that there's nothing
better around, and even if the system sucks, it's better than the
alternatives. Second, he might not realize that the system sucks,
because he himself sucks even more, and an abusive false system is
what he really needs to feel at home. That seems to be the case, since
most people who were interested in the truth have already found
something better than Prabhupada and his counterfeits of vedic
scriptures.
How to offer something better? I usually make a conversation and offer
alternative explanations. When I give better answers than my
opponents, those who are interested in the truth will know what it is,
very clearly, and others are none of my business, there's karma to
take care of their education. If none of you is interested in the
truth, I shrug and go elsewhere.
Why did I start arguing with a stupid and contradictory system like
hare krishna? Basically it's because the system is based on the best
materials in the world; Srimad Bhagavata Purana is the best material I
have ever had the chance to read (when I've managed to read it through
Prabhupada's disasterous translation), it actually starts where most
systems, like theosophy, end. Because of my respect for that text, I
was wondering if any of you guys knew anything about that stuff, about
the background that it brings up, but the answer is obviously
negative, you don't know anything, just like the Christians who took
the Bible and perverted the words of Jesus, who said great things, but
nobody really listens to them, everybody has his own picture of the
Bible in mind, and that picture is some sort of a holy cow. So, bow to
the cow, and remove every particle of reality from your minds, so that
it doesn't interfere with your precious spirituality.

>I would like to say to you that you are a charlatan. A fake. A cheat, and a
>demon.

Thank you, since you yourself said those things about me, I am
convinced that they are not the truth.

>Your pretense for being here to challenge the devotees to keen their
>preaching skills against your stone like arguments is contemptuous and
>transparent. The evidence shows that you have come here only to annoy the
>devotees.

No, actually I'm here to annoy the devotees _and_ make some of the
smarter folks with doubts question some premises that they have taken
for granted.

>What evidence? Well, you make a show of being a teacher, but you have none
>of the qualities of a true teacher.

:)

>When I challenge you, you respond with insults.

I choose the method of conversation suitable for the individual.

>As a true teacher, you would have either A) Blasted my inferior
>arguments with superior facts, using clear references to authentic
>scriptures, B) Humbly corrected me with calm reason or C) Ignored me.

If you knew how a true teacher would act, you would be one.

>Instead, you resorted to name calling and cheap insults. Tell me, please,
>what teacher has taught you to use such tactics? What disciplic succession
>do you represent? There are none that would claim you, who do you claim?

I am a yogi. I had many teachers, but I have no guru besides God. God
is my foundation and reality of my existence. On that foundation I
will make the disciplic succession.

>I also noted that in one of your posts, you recalled your journey to find a
>Guru, remarking how you found none, but instead found a few disciples along
>the way. Perhaps you expected to find some gullible souls in this NG? I am

No, unfortunately not. The standard for becoming my student is far
higher than any of you people can hope for in this life. But I can
show you how the path feels like, if you want to listen, but you
don't. You are too arrogant to learn, because you think that you
already know.

>sure that you are dissapointed that you are not receiving the respect that
>you have obviously come to expect from other persons. Poor Danijel!!!

I receive my reward and respect from the source of all. I got all the
confirmations that I could ever dream of. My cup is full and
overflowing. I did not come here to get anything for you, because if
that were so, I would really have to be a desperate creature.

>You also claim to have made philosophical errors on purpose, just so that
>you might test the devotees, hoping that someone would challenge you. You
>expressed remorse that no one did.
>
>This mood is arrogance personified. Did it ever occur to you that someone
>may have noticed your errors, but thought you so unworthy of debate as to
>have just simply ignored you?

No, the errors were too sophisticated. They were about the definition
of the absolute and the definition of the relative, and if your
philosophy stands, these are not errors, these are the cornerstones.
If they are seen as errors, the entire system is down. When I
attempted to point out the errors and rectify them, _that_ was atacked
as an error. That says it all.

>Who are you to expect the devotees to come
>running to you? The proper way to approach the truth is through humble
>inquiry.

I already know the truth, I have nothing to inquire. I also don't have
any reasons to be humble, why should I be, since I know how much I'm
loved by God? I humble myself before the source of all the beauty
which is my foundation, but false humility that you seek is not to be
found anywhere in my spirit.

>Your lack of humility disqualifies you from your claims of spiritual
>advancement

I'm not spiritually advanced. I'm the goal of the spiritual
advancement. I'm not a seeker. I have no doubts to be dispersed. I
have come to share the water of life from my well, but if you prefer
drinking urine, that's your choice.

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