X-Ftn-To: Radoslav Prica

Stovanje Felix!

Radoslav.Prica@sprint.pub.hr (Radoslav Prica) wrote:
> Ima takvih podudarnsoti koliko hoces. Prije dosta vremena sam
> napisao jednu usporedbu izmedju nekoliko Avatara (ukljucujuci i
> Isusa naravno, za sto me je Ratko izflejmao, pa necu ponavljati;))
> i zanimljivo da je velika vecina rodjena od majke koja za koju se
> tvrdi da je bila djevica; kojeg je obavezno ili zaceo neki bozji
> glasnik;)

Ovo je cini se jedan od uobicajenih nacina pripreme avatarskog
vehikla, dakle stvaranja tijela bitno vece cistoce i savrsenosti od
obicnog ljudskog. Ali od takvog tijela ne mora uvijek izaci avatar,
avatara cini otvaranje vrata odozdo. Ako se vrata ne otvore, nema
silaska, ali takvo bice je idalje daleko mocnije od obicnih ljudi, i
moze _pozirati_ kao avatar ili nesto slicno.

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X-Ftn-To: Miroslav Ambrus Kis

Miroslav.Ambrus.Kis@sprint.pub.hr (Miroslav Ambrus Kis) wrote:
> DT> Dakle ipak mi se cini da je Isus itekako bio u poziciji birati, i da
> DT> je donosio ispravne odluke, a ono sto je slijedilo bilo je posljedica
> DT> toga. Prevladavanje iskusenja "odozdo" omogucuje silazak "odozgo",
> DT> dakle avatara prvenstveno cini odluka njegove ljudske naravi za
> DT> Bozansku.
>
>Da. Da samo kratko podebljam sto sam mislio reci.
>Tvojim uobicajenim rijecnikom ova epizoda kusnje iz pustinje bila bi - u
>odnosu na Getsemaniju - cisti vaginalni dim.
>Naime, tu uopce nema nikakvoga oblika onoga sto ja zovem "stradanjem duse"
>(osim marginalnih fenomena vezanih uz pregladnjelost koji se odrazavaju na
>psihiku), nikakvog relativiziranja i dovodjenja u pitanje svih temeljnih
>vrijednosti. Krist se 'ladno referira o ono sto je napisano. Tu su argumenti
>poredni impresivno, a obrana je monolitna. Uostalom, pustinja i zavrsni ispit
>bili su zapravo prva intenzivnija priprema za ono sto slijedi. Moram priznati
>da je u toj "ranoj" epizodi za mene mnogo impresivniji moment (i simbolika)
>krstenja koji dolazi odmah poslije.

Bojim se da si u cijelosti promasio poantu. Naime ova epizoda je
daleko znacajnija od svega sto je slijedilo, jer da Isus nije donio
ispravne odluke - a kusnja nije bila ovako stereotipna kako se Tebi
cini - on bi se sveo na samo jos jednog promasenog avatara (kakvih je
bilo, ima i bit ce). To su oni koji su pali na iskusenju, koji su
"prisvojili prsten Neprijateljev". Naime avatara cini nekoliko
komponenti; jedna je njegovo bice covjeka, koje ima nesto sto se moze
nazvati ljudskom dusom, koja je nuzna za ljudsko funkcioniranje; ta
komponenta je manje bitna. Druga, najvaznija komponenta jest svjesno i
voljno samopredavanje tog ljudskog bica Bogu, sto tek cini avatara, to
predstavlja istinsku avatarsku inicijaciju. Prije toga, Isus nije bio
avatar, nego recimo avatarski vehikl, "vozilo" koje je pripremano za
avatara. Getsemanija je u tom kontekstu samo jedna kriticna tocka
nakon sto je onaj bitni izbor vec nacinjen; svojevrsno ponavljanje
ispravne odluke.

>Mislim da je uz (ne)razumiejvanje toga dogadjaja vezana i quotana suvislost
>tvojega izlaganja, kao i posve maglovita terminologija "odozgo" i "odozdo".
>Covjek s duhovnim iskustvom za kakvoga se izdajes morao bi posve lako pri
>ruci imati mnogo jednoznacnije izraze.

Kad budem drzao da su jednoznacniji izrazi primjereniji od "gore" i
"dolje", budi siguran da cu ih koristiti.

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X-Ftn-To: Miroslav Ambrus Kis

Miroslav.Ambrus.Kis@sprint.pub.hr (Miroslav Ambrus Kis) wrote:
> DT> (20) Tada zaprijeti u?enicima neka nikomu ne reknu da
> DT> je on Krist. --- (da, naoruzao sam se digitalnom verzijom Biblije:)
>
>Da. Na to sam mislio.
>
>Usput, nije li 20. redak vrijedan razmatranja? Zasto je Krist zaprijetio
>ucenicima da ne govore ono sto (se cinilo da ucenici razumiju, tj. da...) je
>ocigledna istina? Mislis li da je to samo obicno taktiziranje jednnoga
>"trenera" koji odlucuje "da ce ovu utakmicu igrati sa 6 veznih igraca i samo
>s jednim napadacem"?

Meni se cini da je to zbog toga da se ljudima ostavi izbor, da im se
ne namece misljenje o njemu, nego da oni sami od svoje volje i
svijesti donesu zakljucak. Mozda je i neki drugi razlog, mozda se nije
htio reklamirati, nego je drzao da ce njegovo djelovanje i govori
najbolje govoriti o tome tko je on, a ne njegovi ucenici. U krajnjoj
liniji jebes ucitelja kojega ucenici moraju okolo reklamirati jer
inace nece ostaviti poseban dojam.

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"Sundarananda Dasa" wrote:
>> I'm not the one who's cross-dressing as hindu. ;)
>
>No, but you are the guy who thinks he is Jesus.

Naaah, you mixed your pots. Just because Jesus and I know the same
reality and testify for it doesn't mean that we're one person. Many
are the surfaces of water, one is the moon that is reflected on them.
What do you expect anyway, that I teach yoga, and that I do not know
God intimately? Then I would be a fake just like Prabhupada, who
didn't see God, but he taught about him. You guys are completely
confused. First you say that I'm a false guru because I do not know
God. When I write from the position of the one who knows, you say that
I'm a megalomaniac. Make up your minds. The texts that I wrote from
nirvikalpa samadhi, those written from the position of the Absolute,
you confuse with the relative. Your minds are in a blur and you lack
any realization. How could you possibly understand me? Any real bhakta
would know me instantly, because his realization of God would be real
and he could understand my words. That is not the case with you. You
get yourself entangled in your silly ideas of insult of authority,
which is completely ridiculous since you are the embodiments of
insult.
I once saw a show on Croatian private TV (OTV), where Zeljko Malnar
(the man who traveled around the world several times, a well known
explorer) hosted two Hare Krishna musicians, all dressed up as
vaisnavas. The conversation was very interesting. They of course
looked like arrogant kids with their noses in the stratosphere, and
they were full of stories about the great authentic Prabhupada and
"other degenerate gurus". Malnar was immediately alerted, "what
degenerate gurus, what are you talking about?". They started
mentioning some gathering in India, with Maharishi and other yogis,
with a sinister smile, like, "weren't they pathetic?". Malnar told
them to shut up, and it turned out that _he_ was the one organizing
the gathering, in the 70's, when those kids were still itching their
fathers' pants, and he had great respect for those yogis who were the
embodiments of truth; he forgot more about it than they will ever
know. He threw those idiots out of the studio and made a commercial
break. I think that this is a fair method of treating you guys. You
should have your asses kicked when you start with that "fake mayavadi"
stuff.

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"sleepwalker" wrote:
>imate vremena da se prebacite na tamnu stranu

Mogu dobit crvenu sablju? ;))))

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>Come on, be reasonable now. What's Pada going to do? Throw one of his
>automated anal-homo torrents at this Danijel? Everyone will be better
>off if he just keeps quiet and doesn't say a word to defend Srila
>Prabhupada. Every time he tries to defend Srila Prabhupada it ends up
>as defamation.

Maybe it would be best if you _all_ just keep quiet, because
everything you do is some sort of a defamation. Those "anal-homo"
situations are, as it seems, the only visible effects of repeating the
mantra with Prabhupada's method. Besides, of course, ignorance,
arrogance and rudeness, which also seem to be most frequent in its
practitioners.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>>I asked Him He says He feels great that we exposed a fool and a rascal
>>like you.
>
>Ok He also said that we should have compassion in our hearts for a
>lost soul like you, and that we should not only chastise you out of
>false ego. But surely someone who walks in here and insults our
>beloved spiritual master and claims to know the Vedas better than him,
>who was observably of a pure and spotless character, can expect to be
>punished.

A person who defends a "guru", whose creation has turned into a
junkyard within 30 years, as someone of "observably a pure and
spotless character", has to either be kidding, or be in a serious
conflict with reality. The entire Hare Krishna cult is a pathetic
failure that will be completely forgotten in the following years. Even
now, nobody takes you seriously. When people talk about HK, the
greatest impression is that you're the guys who are constantly trying
to sell them stuff, and who wear strange costumes. That's all. Your
philosophy is somewhat better than that of Jehova's witnesses, but
that's the highest compliment that I'll give it.

>You see, Vaishnavas have three options when the Lord or the spiritual
>master is blasphemed. Either they have to leave the place, or they
>have to defeat the offender with argument, or they have to cut out his
>tongue. Now this is my own news-group and I don't see why I should
>leave it on your account. To cut out your tongue is out of the
>question, so I have to defeat you with words. Since you have proven
>that you are not willing or able to discuss on the basis of logic and
>argument or scriptural evidence, but only on your emotions, I saw no
>need to try and reason with you like for instance JD did. He is a very
>nice, educated and patient devotee, and very civilized, but I am not
>so civilized. Not with you.

:))))) Don't make me laugh, I tried to talk to all of you and I got
maybe three consistent and coherent sentences from all of you
together. _You_ are the ones incapable of reasonable and argumented
discussion, because your cult isn't made on facts, it's made on dogma,
and it's maintained on dogma. It has nothing to do with neither
reality nor logic. Hare Krishna members who think are not Hare Krishna
members for long.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>>Hi all. My name's Bozo Juretic, Split, Croatia, I'm a Danijel's
>>student.
>
>Well if you are his student, that explains your lack of coherence. Is
>your name really Bozo? Did you get that name from Danijel when he
>initiated you :)

Actually, there are other languages besides English in the world, and
names and their pronounciation are quite different from those applied
in English. Croatian is one of those languages. Of course, you don't
have to know that; of course, you don't have to be a complete asshole
either, but that doesn't prevent you from being one. So, either learn
languages, or don't comment them at all.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>I think you should follow JD's advice. You seem to be having an
>identity crisis.

I'm not the one who's cross-dressing as hindu. ;)

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X-Ftn-To: Vladimir Kovacevic

Vladimir.Kovacevic@sprint.pub.hr (Vladimir Kovacevic) wrote:
> DT> Ma nije to to, ovo je maglev fenomen (MAGnetskaLEVitacija), ne
> DT> antigravitacija, to nema jedno s drugim veze. To je samo varijacija na
> DT> temu levitacije supravodica iznad magneta.
>
>sto je onda antigravitacija... kak o se postize na povrsini zemlje?

Antigravitacija bi bilo razumijevanje i koristenje principa
gravitacijske akceleracije ali koristene u zeljenoj velicini i smjeru.
To je nekakva definicija. :) Kako se postize, da znam, bio bih
najbogatiji covjek na svijetu, jer bi to bila veca fora od izuma
kotaca.

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