X-Ftn-To: Ian

"Ian" wrote:
>> >2) Did God create everything that exists?
>>
>> No. Actually, only God exists, everything else is just an observable
>> illusion, just a possible way of seeing the totality of existence from
>> a certain perspective.
>
>To quite directly from your reply to jesse l nowells above;
>
>">What if the universe & god are one & the same?
>
>This implies nonexistence of God."
>
>Aren't you then contradicting yourself?

No, because I didn't say that universe and God are one and the same. I
said that only God exists, and that the universe is merely an
equivalent of a videogame, or a virtual reality. You can observe it
and interact with it, you can form scientific opinions on its
behavior, it is consistent and verifiable etc, and yet it doesn't
exist, it is merely an illusion.
I am repeating myself because you don't listen, and since you have
nothing consistent to object to what I said, bye-bye.

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X-Ftn-To: Ian

"Ian" wrote:
>> This is because you think in limited 1-dimensional patterns.
>
>It's called logic.

No, it's called sophism.

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X-Ftn-To: Foo Fighter

Foo Fighter wrote:
>Smetaju ti krizarski ratovi a ne smeta te islam donijet na macu od
>Spanjolske do Papue Nove Gvineje?

Ma da, prvo je inkvizicija bila sasvim dobra stvar, a sad ispada da su
i krizarski ratovi bili prava stvar, ma super, kad bih htio dokazivati
da su danasnji katolici ista banda koja je palila lomace u srednjem
vijeku, ne bih se morao puno truditi, samo bih Tebe pustio da pricas.
Ti za sve to imas opravdanje.

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X-Ftn-To: Denis Simoda

"Denis Simoda" wrote:
>Da, ali zasto te to ljuti?
>Nije problem u tome da li Danijel nesto zna, vec u tome kako
>se postavlja, zar ne?
>Danijel bez sumnje "zna" puno, a da li zna sve za sto se izdaje,
>manje je bitno. Bitno je da i ti i ja imamo mogucnost to provjeriti,
>ali za sebe.
>Pogledaj samo Tomislava i njegov odnos prema
>Danijelu i mozda ti sve bude jasnije.
>Nemoj olako reci da te Danijel sam ne iritira :).
>Vidio sam poneki od tvojih postova koji ovo ne podrzava.
>A "ovce", to je njihov izbor.
>Tomislava i te "ovce" smetaju daleko vise nego tebe.
>Ponovo prilika za ucenje, ako ju takvom vidis.
>Ako ne, onda nista :)).

Ja bih se cak slozio da su moji ucenici u toj slici ovce, ali bih
napomenuo da su im alternativa vukovi, koji se takodjer krecu u
coporima, ali sa sasvim drugacijim namjerama i ciljevima u zivotu.
Naime, ovce uglavnom gledaju svoja posla, a vukovi se petljaju u
tudja, a na pameti im nisu pretjerano casne stvari.
I dakako, pastir koji cuva ovce, naoruzan minigunom i zoljom, nije
vukovima idealan dio krajolika. ;> A kad sam nekog od tih vukova ovdje
na konfi ocesao, ostali su mu oziljci koji jako dugo bole, zato sto je
istina vrlo bolna stvar za bice koje se temelji na iluzornom.

Osim toga, posebno mi je cool kad si netko, glup i plitak kakav vec
je, zamislja da moji ucenici moraju biti nekakva hrpa bedaka koji ne
misle svojom glavom nego sad slijede nekakvog Danijela, a oni su pravi
frajeri i ne slijede nikoga. Onda takav naleti na mog ucenika, "ovcu",
i u usporedbi s njim izgleda kao sjena, nesto sto bi jednog dana moglo
postati covjekom, i mog ucenika ne moze gledati u oci dulje od
desetinke sekunde, zato sto ce mu mala sugava mrakasta dusica krepati
od suocavanja s vlastitom pozicijom. Ali, internet trpi svasta.

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X-Ftn-To: Zoran Znidari?

"Zoran Znidari?" wrote:
>> "Zoran Znidari?" wrote:
>> >OK.
>> >Onda mi reci ti svoju viziju duhovnog i materijalnog svijeta, sto je sto,
>te
>> >sto njih povezuje, da li se oni prozimajuju, kakvi odnosi vladaju izmedju
>ta
>> >dva svijeta i sl. ?
>>
>> Svijet je iluzoran a jedino Bog postoji.
>
>Da, tocno. Relativno je u vjecnoj promjeni, a Apsolutno u vjecnoj
>ne-promijenjivosti.
>Ali "kockice" Apsolutnog, jesu u Relatvinom, one grade strukture u
>Relativnom.

Ti si fakat glup ko kurac.
Daj Ti meni objasni kako to kockice Apsoluta grade strukture u
relativnom, pa ono sto Ti pricas je analogno pokusaju da odes u Duke3d
i analiziras piksele u nadi da ces tako dobiti elementarnu cesticu
procesora i memorije. I onda se nemoj cuditi kad cujes neugodne ocjene
svog mentalnog kapaciteta.

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X-Ftn-To: Mir Harven

mharven@SoftHome.net (Mir Harven) wrote:
>I-eto njih.
>
>Religious Body Number of Adherents
>Catholic Church** 1,043,000,000
>Sunni Islam* 875,000,000
>Eastern Orthodox Church* 225,000,000
>Jinja Honcho* 83,000,000
>Anglican Communion* 68,000,000
>Assemblies of God* 35,000,000
>Ethiopian Orthodox Church 30,000,000
>Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland (EKD)* 27,400,000
>Sikhism 23,000,000
>Juche (North Korea) 19,000,000
>Southern Baptist Convention* 15,600,000
>Jehovah's Witnesses** 14,800,000
>United Methodist Church* 11,708,887
>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 11,300,000
>Seventh-day Adventist Church 11,300,000
>Soka Gakkai 11,000,000
>Veerashaivas (Lingayats) 10,000,000
>Coptic Orthodox 10,000,000
>Ahmadiyya 10,000,000
>Sathya Sai Baba 10,000,000
>New Apostolic Church 9,000,000
>Church of Uganda 8,000,000
>Choge Buddhism 8,000,000
>Church of Sweden 7,600,000
>National Baptist Convention of America 7,000,000
>Bahai World Faith 6,000,000
>Church of God in Christ 6,500,000
>Kimbanguist Church 6,500,000
>Universal Church of the Kingdom of God
>(Igreja Universal do Reino de Deus) 6,000,000
>Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 5,500,000
>China Christian Council 5,000,000
>Rissho Koseikai 5,000,000
>Swaminarayanism 5,000,000
>Aglipayan Church 4,500,000
>Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland 4,400,000
>Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark 4,350,000
>Iglesia ni Cristo (mostly in the Philippines) 4,000,000
>"God is Love" Pentecostal Church (Igreja Pentecostal "Deus e Amo")
>4,000,000
>Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee) 4,000,000
>Kale Heywet (SIM, Ethiopia) 4,000,000
>Church of Norway (Evangelical Lutheran) 3,850,000
>Armenian Apostolic Church 3,500,000
>American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. 3,337,400
>Christian Congregation (Brazil) 3,120,000
>Zion Christian Church (South Africa) 3,000,000
>Cao Dai 3,000,000
>Ch'ondogyo 3,000,000
>Church of the Lord Aladura 3,000,000
>Reiyukai 3,000,000
>United Church of Canada 3,000,000
>International Church of the Foursquare Gospel 2,863,232
>Church of South India 2,800,000
>Balinese Hinduism 2,800,000
>Christian and Missionary Alliance 2,644,296
>Netherlands Reformed Church (NHK) 2,600,000
>Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod 2,582,440
>Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 2,560,201
>Protestant Christian Batak Church
>(Huria Kristen Batak Protestan -- HKBP, Indonesia) 2,500,000
>Evangelical Churches of West Africa 2,500,000
>Progressive National Baptist Convention 2,500,000
>Tenrikyo 2,350,000
>United Pentecostal Church International 2,300,000
>Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania 2,200,000
>Presbyterian Church of Korea (Haptong) 2,094,338
>Africa Inland Church (Kenya) 2,000,000
>Brazil for Christ 2,000,000
>Churches of Christ 2,000,000
>Church of Jesus Christ in Madagascar 2,000,000
>Syrian Orthodox Church ("Jacobite") 2,000,000
>Radhasoami 2,000,000
>United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism 2,000,000
>True (Old Calendar) Orthodox Church of Greece 2,000,000
>Reformed Church in Hungary 2,000,000
>American Muslim Society 2,000,000
>Presbyterian Church of Korea (Tonghap) 1,660,248
>Council of Baptist Churches of NE India 1,630,000
>Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus 1,625,994
>Baptist Bible Fellowship International 1,600,000
>Salvation Army 1,500,000
>Myanmar Baptist Convention 1,500,000
>Malagasy Lutheran Church (Madagascar) 1,500,000
>Brazilian Baptist Convention 1,440,000
>Dutch Reformed Church (NGK; South Africa) 1,403,180
>Alawi 1,400,000
>Council of Evangelical Methodist Churches
>of Latin America and the Caribbean 1,400,000
>Uniting Church in Australia 1,386,000
>United Church of Christ 1,377,320
>Christ Apostolic Church (Nigeria) 1,300,000
>Union of American Hebrew Congregations (Reform) 1,300,000
>Pentecostal Church of Indonesia 1,280,000
>African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church 1,252,369
>Church of Central Africa, Presbyterian (CCAP; Malawi) 1,250,000
>Nigerian Baptist Convention 1,250,000
>Church of the Nazarene 1,216,657
>African Methodist Episcopal Church 1,200,000
>Divine Light Mission 1,200,000
>Church of God Miss. Intl. (Nigeria) 1,200,000
>British Methodist Church 1,200,000
>Church of North India 1,125,000
>Christian Churches and Churches of Christ 1,070,000
>Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) 1,043,943
>United Orthodox Jewish Congregation of America 1,043,943
>Lott Carey Baptist Foreign Mission Convention, USA 1,025,000
>Church of Scientology 1,000,000
>Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil 1,000,000
>ISKCON 1,000,000
>Syrian Orthodox Church of Malabar (Mar Thoma) 1,000,000
>National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A. 1,000,000
>Pentecostal Assemblies of the World 1,000,000
>PL Kyodan 1,000,000
>Sekai Kyuseikyo 1,000,000
>Church of Christ in Nigeria 1,000,000
>Unity Church 1,000,000
>Igreja Evangelica Pentecostal (Brazil) 1,000,000
>Church of Scotland 1,000,000
>Sukyo Mahikari 1,000,000

Ovo je namjerna podvala, naime, fragmentacijom se stvara lazni dojam
da neke periferne religije imaju velik broj clanova, a neke velike da
su sporedne. Primjerice, Tibetanski buddhizam obuhvaca stotinjak
sekti, i ako svaku sektu brojis pojedinacno, dobit ces da ima vise
poklonika Sai Babe i Hare Krishni nego buddhista ne Tibetu. Ali, ako
radis statistiku za Vajrayana ili Mahayana buddhizam, dobit ces
ogromne brojke. Isto vazi za Shaivite, Vaisnave i Shakte unutar
hinduizma, kojih, zajedno s nekim drugim sektama, ima tri cetvrt
milijarde. Takodjer, ako brojis sve formalne katolike (gdje KC cak i
mene broji kao svog clana, zato sto su me krstili kao bebu), kako bi
povecao broj katolika, a unutar hinduizma njihove ekvivalente
franjevaca, jezuita i dominikanaca brojis svakog kao svoju religiju,
naravno da ces dobiti da je katolicanstvo vecinska religija. Ali,
cinjenica je da je katolicanstvo u totalnoj krizi i da ga nestaje u
Europi, i da mu je jedina tocka rasta u Africi. Broj formalnih clanova
ne znaci nista, buduci da "katolicke" zemlje nisu u stanju izglasati
ni zakon protiv abortusa, sto govori o tome koliko se ljudi drze
formalnog vjerovanja. Za sve prakticne svrhe, katolicanstvo je mrtva
crkva.

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X-Ftn-To: Mir Harven

mharven@SoftHome.net (Mir Harven) wrote:
>(iako to nije previse vazno. Relativno malobrojna zidovska
>zajednica je dala vise svjetskoj kulturi u zadnjih 200 godina
>od hinduizma ili islama (u paketu)).

Gluposti. Hinduizam je u zadnjih 100 godina odigrao vecu ulogu u
osvjestavanju ozbiljnosti religijske misli, nego citava zapadna
civilizacija, ukljucujuci krscanstvo.

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X-Ftn-To: Vicko Vitasovic

"Vicko Vitasovic" wrote:
>(14) U Hramu na?e prodava?e volova, ovaca i golubova i mjenja?e gdje sjede.
>(15) I na?ini bi? od užeta te ih sve istjera iz Hrama zajedno s ovcama i
>volovima. Mjenja?ima rasu novac i stolove isprevrta, (16) a prodava?ima
>golubova re?e: "Nosite to odavde i ne ?inite od ku?e Oca mojega ku?u
>trgova?ku." (17) Prisjetiše se njegovi u?enici da je pisano: Izjeda me
>revnost za Dom tvoj.

:)))) Sto je naravno tipican primjer blago-duhovnog ponasanja. :))))

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X-Ftn-To: Zoran Znidari?

"Zoran Znidari?" wrote:
>OK.
>Onda mi reci ti svoju viziju duhovnog i materijalnog svijeta, sto je sto, te
>sto njih povezuje, da li se oni prozimajuju, kakvi odnosi vladaju izmedju ta
>dva svijeta i sl. ?

Svijet je iluzoran a jedino Bog postoji.

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X-Ftn-To: Vicko Vitasovic

"Vicko Vitasovic" wrote:
>Cini mi se da ti i tebi slicni pokusavate progurati apsurd da covjek moze
>izgledati i ciniti zlo a biti prosvjetljen.

Nije to problem, problem je moze li biti ljubazan sa zlocestim
idiotima a biti prosvijetljen. Ako mi uspijes navesti primjer da je
Tvoj ljubljeni Isus bio ljubazan s farizejima, mozda Ti necu reci da
si licemjerna svinja.

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