X-Ftn-To: Drazen Simunic

"Drazen Simunic" wrote:
>> :) Nije pitanje gdje je to objavljeno, nego je li istina.
>
>Pa dobro da li je istina?

Istinu govoreci, ne znam. Znam samo da sam u Prashantiju osjetio nesto
cudno: naime, glavni sevadali ne postuju Saija, i on nema nikakvu moc
nad njima, premda se oni radi odrzanja vlastite moci pretvaraju da ga
postuju. Tocno imas dojam da se radi o raznim skrivenim igrama, ali ne
kuzis sto; oni njega drze u sahu, buduci da znaju nesto o njemu sto bi
ga totalno kompromitiralo. Dok sam bio tamo, mislio sam da su ga par
puta uhvatili da fejka materijalizaciju, a da budem iskren, cini mi se
da mi je palo na pamet da bi moglo biti nekog seksualnog sranja u
cijeloj prici, ali mi se nije cinilo vjerojatnim pa sam ideju odbacio.
Doduse, to mi je tamo bilo ionako sporedno i nebitno, imao sam vecih
problema. Kad sam dosao doma, cuo sam svasta, i procitao ovakve
izvjestaje, koji mi se cine sto posto tocnima; naime, bio sam tamo i
znam kako "lokalni" razmisljaju i funkcioniraju, i tocno se vidi da su
stvar pisali ljudi koji nisu povrsni kao oni koji o Sai Babi samo
nesto procitaju i iz toga izvedu zakljucke; to su pisali ljudi koji su
_zivjeli_ tamo i dugo promatrali stvari, koji kuze sto se desava i
kako, i skuzili su tocno iste mehanizme koje smo i mi dolje uocili.
Koliko ja mogu procijeniti, izvjestaji su u velikoj, velikoj mjeri
vjerodostojni.

>Onako kako si opisao Saia cini mi se nemogucim tako nisko pasti.

To je zato sto se ne razumijes u ono sto se desava kad ides raditi
transfer neke vise supstancije. Ti si mislis da kod takvog necega
covjek ostaje isti. Krivo. Postajes nesto sasvim drugo, neka mjesavina
izmedju sebe i onog drugog, barem dok to ne "odradis". Sai se isao
zajebavati s nekim stvarima koje sezu dublje od njegove moci
razumijevanja, pa ih nije mogao pocistiti, i one su postale dio
njegove licnosti, recimo homoseksualnost i pedfilija; to su logicne
posljedice odredjenih stvari kojih je njegovo ucenje puno, a koje on
uopce ne shvaca.

>Za njega je strahovit pad samo radjenje komedijasa od sebe i to sto prolazi
>tamo a kud sad jos pedofilija.
>To je ko slag na govno. :)

To je ono sto dobijes kad se netko ide igrati ucitelja, a izvor snage
si je on sam, a ne Bog. Onda mozes gadno najebati, a ljudi koji
brbljaju o takvim stvarima bez iskustva uopce ne mogu shvatiti o cemu
se tu radi. Recimo, teret koji ja nosim na sebi od mojih ucenika takav
je, da bi "normalnog covjeka" zdrobio, on bi se posve izgubio u svemu
tome. Ljudi se totalno izgube vec i kad se zaljube u nekoga, a to je
kamilica.

>To mi lici sad na kao od onog fanatika iz HK koji veli da ka jedes meso da
>bus se rodil ko tigar.

To nema nikakve veze s tim, on nije popusio zbog nekakve "karme"
odozgora nego je isao svjesno raditi neke pizdarije iz kojih se
poslije nije mogao izvuci.

>Ako tak stvari funkcioniraju onda nem nikakve sanse 'izlaska' a
>sam zakon je onda koncipiran kao prevaranstki i osvetoljubiv.
>Znam da tako nije.

Da se on po dharmi ponasao onda se ne bi ni sjebao. Nisu njega sjebali
ni dharma ni karma, nego je to ono po sistemu kad pokusas stati pred
autobus i zaustaviti ga rukom, postanes mljeveno meso.

>Smatram da takvi 'padovi' su nemoguci a ako su pak moguci to su oscilacije
>unutar iste inkarnacije i nemoguce je da ih osoba ne primjeti kad tad i
>iskreno se pokaje.

Nemas iskustva i ne znas o cemu se radi.

>Mislim u odnosu na njega sam obican supak ali da padnem do pedofilije cini
>mi se nemogucim.

To je zato sto nemas znanje o ljudskoj prirodi i funkcioniranju. Ti
zivis u zasticenom podrucju svojih energetskih tijela, i u tom okviru
Ti se cini nemogucim da bi sad pao u neko daleko losije stanje. E sad,
da Ti netko spoji Tvoje astralno tijelo s tijelima pedeset pedofila i
pedera, Ti bi se mozda drzao prvih pola sekunde, a onda bi poceo
sliniti za malim deckima na putu iz vrtica doma. To Ti garantiram.

>Mozda se varam ali naprosto mi se cini smjesnim da nakon nekih dozivljenih
>stvari padnem na uzitku seksa a da ne pricam o nastranom seksu.

Je, ali kad napravis transfer vise supstancije (namjerno necu reci
karme jer se u to nitko ne razumije kako spada) onda Ti vise nisi Ti,
nego nesto skroz drugo. Zivis u svijetu iluzije, ali ta iluzija je
prilicno uobicajena. Onaj tko vjeruje da je prostor euklidski nece se
morati suocavati s posljedicama svoje zablude sve dok ne prodje blizu
neke crne rupe, ili se ne priblizi brzini svjetlosti. Onda ce mu se
citav svijet srusiti. Na svu srecu, to se uglavnom desava postupno,
jer bi inace svi pukli.
Ono, sto Ti drzis "svojom karmom" i svojim stupnjem duhovnog razvoja,
samo je lokalna iluzija. To je kao da imas casu bistre vode i casu
tinte. Ti si casa vode i oholis se kako si duhovno napredan i cool i
kako ne mozes ni slucajno pasti, a onda netko uzme casu tinte i ulije
pola Tebi. Onda si naglo crn kao dimnjak i ode sav Tvoj duhovni razvoj
u kurac. Ako Ti je temelj Bog, onda ces silom svog duha razbistriti tu
vodu nakon nekog vremena, ali ako si sam sebi temelj, kao sto je
slucaj sa Sai Babom, onda bye-bye, ostao si bez tog tijela koje je
zaprljano, degradiran si na tu razinu. Pogotovo je fora kad se
zaprljanje nalazi na visem frekventnom nivou nego najvisi aspekt onoga
sto dozivljavas kao svoju dusu. Onda si tek najebo. Kao kad pojedes
rucak koji je veci od Tebe, pa skuzis da si u stvari Ti pojeden a ne
obratno.

>Eto i onaj Kriyananada je eto pao na sexu.
>Mislim fakat je to cudno kak bas sex nadju.
>To mi sve nekak previse smrdi na krscanske podvale.

Nije, nazalost, nego je to klasicni zajeb na kojem padaju oni koji bi
se igrali necega sto ne razumiju. Igras se celibata, poraste Ti
energetska razina, druzis se s zenom i osjetis njenu svijest, stvara
se struja ljubavi i privlacnosti, i to se pretvara u seks, jer shvatis
da je seks daleko bolja stvar od odbacivanja te osobe i njene ljepote.
A to sto se bas seks drzi nekim velikim prijestupom je zbog toga sto
su ljudi seksualno sjebani, jer da nisu, drzali bi da je seks u stvari
dobra stvar, samo treba znati kako, kada i s kim, kao i za sve ostalo.

>jedno. Ako je sex u pitanju, ok ali to je samo uvod nakon toga se on
>kompletno cereci i ispada azo da sve ama bas sve je podvala.

Nije bas. To je greska ovih kriticara, oni ne razumiju proces njegovog
pada, oni zakljucuju da on nikad nije valjao, jer si ne mogu spojiti
stvari, shvatiti da je u startu bio nesto vise od njihovih najludjih
snova, i da je imao moc nad cim hoces, ukljucujuci svoj um i zelje, da
je bio moralno savrsen i cist kao recimo Felix, a sad da je peder i
varalica. Oni radije zakljuce ili da je uvijek bio peder i varalica,
ili da su sve to lazi, i ne zele nista cuti od toga.

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X-Ftn-To: J.D. Campbell

CAMPBELLJD@webtv.net (J.D. Campbell) wrote:
>Ok so you wanta play the attack the author game. JD

No, I want to play the "quote your messages properly so that they'll
be easier to read" game.

>Oh I see, so what you're saying is that if people practice yoga, they
>get to talk in inconsistent fits of logoreia, and it's all OK because if
>they sound smart, they could initiate a personality cult? ;))
>
>No you wrote this not me as thats reflective of your primary attack the
>logicial. I have a cult of one split 3 ways i-me-my. We are not
>talking, (saying sounding your glorious speech/grin) but writing a few
>points of interest perhaps at your owen lucid features. I doubt your
>ever alone in YOUR social group probably a cult of the socio politico
>type not yogic but inter-personal as yoga is a singular activity or
>singular sport as running swimming can be. JD

You're mixing points because your mind isn't clear, and since a clear
mind is a necessary prerequisite for yogic practice, conclusions about
your yogic achievements present themselves even without my effort.
Although yoga is indeed something that has little or nothing to do
with others, that doesn't mean that yogis are supposed to be
illiterate sociopaths. Yoga is about bringing the mind in order so
that one can realize the supramental. If one didn't even manage to
control his mind to a degree that would allow him to present his
thoughts in an understandable manner, then all his other
"achievements" are questionable.
The original point was that realization in spirit brings peace to the
mind, and a peaceful mind brings clarity and harmony to thoughts,
words and deeds. But today it's modern to just say that we're all one
and that one isn't supposed to judge others, coz it brings about
separation, and voila, one's earned himself an applause of similarly
"spiritual" people who also say that we are all one. Those 'one'
people grow a bruised ego when their spiritual ass gets kicked, so
they're not really one, coz there's a difference between the ass,
boot, kick and the pain, and there's the state before and after having
their ass kicked.
There is a multitude of beings with foundation in one reality, and the
degree of one being's realization is visible from its greatness. It is
true that both ant and Prajapati are brahman, but an ant knows zilch
and can do almost as much, and Prajapati created the universe. So,
although all beings have the same original nature, this nature is not
manifested equally in all of them. So, claims that "we are all one"
are just quasi-spiritual mumbo-jumbo, created in order for spiritual
dwarves to be able to claim enlightenment: "it's true that I'm an
asshole, but it doesn't matter because asshole is in the sphere of
things and experiences, and I am the experiencer". Be the experiencer
as much as you like, but if you want to talk, learn how to speak.

>>First of all, a tree shall be known by its fruits.
>
>Thats of course nonsense botany does not work on this criteria. JD

One day a sadhu came to visit Ramakrishna with all his female...
err... escorts?, whatever. He said that if everything is brahman, that
it doesn't really matter what he does, and since he likes having sex,
it's OK, it's all maya anyhow.
Ramakrishna answered: "I spit on your vedanta".

Likewise, I spit on the spirituality that is not known by its fruits.

>Therefore every action speaks of the personality behind it, and the
>structure of the personality is very much a reflection of the spiritual
>status.
>
>So to you action speaks of personality.........your the muse, the tarots
>fool (waite deck), knowledge is reflective of personality acquired by
>action not your written statement. We see your hanging yourself suppling
>your owen rope yogi (knowlege/action please re learn). Action gives
>knowledge cause and effect remember the fool jumping off a cliff little
>doggie right behind the ??? JD

Write that in some understandable form, and then I may have something
to answer.

>>The doer is reflected in his deeds.
>
>This would be action expended reflective of past knowledge. Sounds
>fine.JD

Actually, it's supposed to say that a firm foundation in reality
creates harmony in actions, from thoughts to deeds, and foundation in
illusion creates confusion, ignorance and disharmony.

>Any discrepancy between the thoughts, words and actions signifies a
>problem.
>
>Your conclusion???????

My conclusion is that your problem is visible from the Moon.

>>So, there is in fact a great connection between experience and words,
>>for experience of greatness seeks forms of expression, and words are not
>>the least important of those forms.
>
>I assume the leader with no followers does not qualify under this lofty
>purpose.

A speaker has a following of his words, and a doer has a following of
his deeds. They all testify of his nature, for all to see clearly.

>Compassion of an enlightened Master for his fellow men causes a flow of
>helpful actions.
>
>1) Enlightenment/ ed is a 17th century word and means to use the mental
>agilities and is not reflective of samadhi.

Enlightenment is a word of convention, as well as any other. Greatness
is a better word than samadhi. Those who are great are founded in
greatness, which is brahman. Samadhi means many things to many people,
it's just a word without meaning, if it's not visible in personal
greatness of the one who claims to be enlightened. A total idiot on
acid can enter samadhi and claim enlightenment on your criteria.

>2) Master : A 20th century word phrased by theosopohy and has no
>meaning.

Master is the one who possesses mastery of things. Things come to
their master, not to their servant. A master of the mind has the mind
as his servant, and words and deeds as well. Enlightenment means
mastery over the mind and the senses.
Semantics won't get you anywhere, stick to the point.

>I see your in these schools of missions, spiritualists,intellectuals and
>evanganlistic's that is not the forest we travel in yogi (i me my).JD

I see in you ignorance and incompetence, and also projections created
from past experience, that come from the inability to realize the
truth of the moment. Frankly, you are full of crap.

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X-Ftn-To: Florian Schneider

Florian Schneider wrote:
>Stoga, Danijele, malo lakse sa osudama

Zasto, prvo mi pokazi da sam u krivu.

>(jel ti izdana knjiga?),

Odavno.

>i
>shvati da nisu svi na istom nivou svjesnosti kao i ti sada, i prisjeti
>se svojeg vremena kada si i ti plivao u neznanju.

Iz tog neznanja me nisu izvukli oni koji su me tapsali po ramenu i
govorili da je sve u redu sa mnom i da svi imamo svoj put.

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CAMPBELLJD@webtv.net (J.D. Campbell) wrote:
>Thank you D.T. your very correct my writing is rather poor but the
>message is very easy to see. Also i am trying to communicate with V.V.
>who seems to understand this style better.
>
>As you know we all place little value on words as not reflective of the
>experience. Writing to me is just words and often times i purposely
>remove myself so someone can elevate themself into the piece. I dont
>accept any money at all from seekers and this is another method to
>prevent any form of devotion. But the message is very easy to see in
>these short pieces ..........JD

Oh I see, so what you're saying is that if people practice yoga, they
get to talk in inconsistent fits of logoreia, and it's all OK because
if they sound smart, they could initiate a personality cult? ;))

First of all, a tree shall be known by its fruits. Therefore every
action speaks of the personality behind it, and the structure of the
personality is very much a reflection of the spiritual status. The
doer is reflected in his deeds. Any discrepancy between the thoughts,
words and actions signifies a problem. So, there is in fact a great
connection between experience and words, for experience of greatness
seeks forms of expression, and words are not the least important of
those forms.
Compassion of an enlightened Master for his fellow men causes a flow
of helpful actions. His words are clear and they hit the core of the
problem, providing a solution. If they are unclear, they are not so
because of his inability to think and express himself clearly, but
because of people's inability to understand his depth.
Do we "all" still "place little value on words as not reflective of
the experience"? If so, why talk at all, then? Reflect upon the
experience, or whatever, instead. There are countless writers, poets
and composers who praise the infinite source of all things, with words
and song and high praise of their hearts. A clear reflection of their
experience can be seen in their words and thoughts, for they are
clear, pure, bright and magnificent. What do we have minds for, if we
cannot think clearly? Why do we have the ability to express ourselves,
if we cannot do it in a way, that would honor our maker?
Stupidity isn't enlightenment, and lack of ability isn't a symptom of
the mind that has transcended the world; open Bhagavad-gita and remind
yourself of that. Deeds deprived of greatness aren't founded in
Brahman, they are founded in the lowest mode of nature, tamas, a force
of laziness and ignorance. A confusion of thoughts and words is not a
result of enlightenment too great to speak of; for there indeed were
those who spoke of the Highest with the greatest of eloquence.
Confusion is only a sign of a deluded mind, filled with ignorance and
lacking realization.

You remove yourself in order for someone else to elevate oneself? How
modest and humble you must be... You lack humility as much as you lack
greatness. You are all over this newsgroup and you have an opinion on
everything, and yet you couldn't make two clear sentences in all the
time that I read this group, and that's more than a year. But I guess
that everything's OK, for you don't take money, so you're not really
just another one of those fake con artist gurus, are you? For taking
money seems to be the criterion, and not competence. As far as I'm
concerned, take all the money in the world and put yourself on top of
it, but be worthy of it, shine brightly and clearly for all to see and
admire. Make yourself into an example worth following.

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X-Ftn-To: Ratko Jakopec

ratko.jakopec@vz.tel.hr (Ratko Jakopec) wrote:
>>Samo nemoj slucajno raditi po mojoj tehnici, to Maharishi i Sai Baba
>>sigurno znaju bolje, a mozda dobijes i erotsku masazu supka.
>
>Nije to erotska nego misticna masaza supka.

Jos bolje, ionako se fura na tantru. :))

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X-Ftn-To: HappyMoney

"HappyMoney" wrote:
>Danijel Turina wrote in message
>news:o7hvvs44gt41ade4dmdb3h8v13bpjjflvl@4ax.com...
>> X-Ftn-To: ssk
>
>Svaka cast na onom postu i - dobrodosao!

Hvala. :)

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Don't look for the truth. It will disturb your illusions,
and they're all that you have.

X-Ftn-To: Boris Mihoci

"Boris Mihoci" wrote:
>> Onda stani i ti u red za odstrel, jer to velis ne bi rekla ni jedna
>> zivotinja.
>> Tvoj mozak vrijedi manje od 1 DEM. Ne dajem za nj ni 1 lipu.
>
>Danijeeeeeeeeeeeel !!!! Eto ti primjer za ono; "vegetarijanci nisu nasilni"
>ili kako si to vec rekao. Hrpa slova koja je Robert pobacao po ekranu ne
>cine mi se bas suvisla. Uostalom, to je pokupio od onog pametnjakovica
>nekadasnjeg Saborskog zastupnika iz HDZ-a koji je sebe nazvao faraonom :-o

Sto, ponasas se kao zadnja stoka i onda se cudis da to covjek
konstatira, ima potpuno pravo. Da sam Te slucajno stavio na "delete"
umjesto na "mark read", ustedio bih si nekoliko poruka. Oh well,
ispravljam gresku, ode Ti meni u ropotarnicu povijesti konfe...

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X-Ftn-To: Zoran Znidari?

"Zoran Znidari?" wrote:
>> Ajde.. mozda ces sam skuzit..Ovak.. Napisao si da on stabilizira
>> i uravnotezuje (harmonizira) cakre. OK, prihvacam tu mogucnost.
>>
>> Ajde molim te napisi prvo kaj su cakre i cime se cakre ako takove, sve
>> mogu stabilizirati, harmonizirati.. ? Ozbiljno pitam.
>
>Ne znam. To moras pitati Dragu Plecka, on se kuzi u te stvari, ja ti se vise
>kuzim u Maharishijevu terminologiju. Valjda Sai preusmjeri visak sexualne
>energije u solaris pleksus i u anahatu. To ja dozivim kad radim "pozdrav
>suncu", a moze se i kroz tantru (hehe, kupio sam konanco tu kazetu, vrlo je
>slincno Danijelovoj kriyi)

Samo nemoj slucajno raditi po mojoj tehnici, to Maharishi i Sai Baba
sigurno znaju bolje, a mozda dobijes i erotsku masazu supka.

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X-Ftn-To: Boris Mihoci

"Boris Mihoci" wrote:
>Prvo bih htio postaviti pitanje- pa dobro, tko su to David i Faye? Jesu li
>to oni istrazivaci kao takvi, ili obicni novinari zeljni senzacija? Odgovor
>je- novinari zeljni senzacija. Jedan detalj me se posebno dojmio. Naime,
>jedan od sponzora im je knjiga "The God Idea of the Ancients or Sex in
>Religion" by Elizabeth B.G. Koje li slucajnosti!!!!!!!
>A magazin je to u kojem mozete procitati tekst npr: "The Reptyles can
>watching you". Toliko o ozbiljnosti.

:) Nije pitanje gdje je to objavljeno, nego je li istina. Svojedobno
sam imao desetak slicnih URLa, ali sam bacio sve osim ovoga, a po tom
dreku mi se stvarno ne da prekapati. Sto se ostatka tice, vidim da
nikad nisi bio u Indiji, a kamo li u Prashantiju, i da si o Sai Babi
citao iz knjiga koje su pisali njegovi sljedbenici, pa si stvorio
jednako pogresnu sliku kao ja svojedobno.

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X-Ftn-To: Florian Schneider

Florian Schneider wrote:
>Ja sam samo svjestan energije koja
>prozima i povezuje sva ziva bica u cijelom svemiru, i njihove
>medjusobne interakcije.

Glavno da Te to ne sprecava u ubijanju pilica. :))

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