Wellcome to my killfile.

chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:56:17 GMT, dturina@geocities.com (Danijel
>Turina),wrote:
>
>>I speak because your dirty mouth needs to be washed with soap.
>
>Why? For insulting garbage like you? I think you overrate yourself.
>Besides you are a hypocrite. You come in here like some retard
>insulting Srila Prabhupada and throwing fire and brimstone, then you
>whine like the miserable little coward you are when you are faced with
>the repercussions.
>
>>Just
>>take care not to talk to people on the street the way you talk to me,
>>because someone could break your legs.
>
>I would never talk to people on the street the way I talk to you. To
>me you are just an obnoxious piece of garbage with a heap of stool for
>brains. Actually I wish I could get my hands on you and wring your
>scrawny little neck, or stomp my foot down your throat to make you
>shut up. That would give me great satisfaction.
>
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"Jan Brzezinski" wrote:
>I see that reading the postings on this group is finally have an effect on
>you, Danijel. As Rupa Goswami says,

I think you are right.

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X-Ftn-To: Marko

Marko wrote:
>> >Da, po ovoj "tvojoj" logici Andjeli koji imaju najnize mentalno tijelo
>> >nemaju nikakve ciljeve???!?!?!?
>>
>> Pa da, oni imaju Bozje ciljeve, ne svoje. :))
>>
>:))) Mislio sam da ne volis nikakav vid Zombia. :)))

Ozbiljno, ako je netko nadisao astral i slicna sranja od razina,
razlika izmedju njegove i Bozje volje se gubi, dakle takav zeli raditi
samo ono sto bi i Bog zelio raditi na njegovom mjestu. Zato velim da
oni vise nemaju svoje ciljeve, nego im je jedini cilj vrsiti Bozju
volju. To ne da nije zombifikacija, to je totalni cool.

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X-Ftn-To: Marko

Marko wrote:
>Da, po ovoj "tvojoj" logici Andjeli koji imaju najnize mentalno tijelo
>nemaju nikakve ciljeve???!?!?!?

Pa da, oni imaju Bozje ciljeve, ne svoje. :))

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>>Not only vedas, but the Bible as well:
>
>I am beginning to think you _are_ a born-again christian. Usually only
>Christians and atheists defend the sinful habit of meat-eating.

The habit of meat eating may be sinful, but most holy scriptures
recommend it. The argument that meat eating is against the scriptures
is false. The argument that meat eaters are spiritually inferior is
also false. Those are the facts.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>>What is it, chicken shit? Does your own medicine hurt your tender
>>little ass when applied to yourself?
>
>Did you hear me ask for your comment? ..... Right, you didn't. Then
>why do you speak?

I speak because your dirty mouth needs to be washed with soap. Just
take care not to talk to people on the street the way you talk to me,
because someone could break your legs.

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chekitan@bahnhof.se (Jahnu) wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:18:43 GMT, "Ron & Keli Conroy"
>,wrote:
>
>>Dear jahnu prabhu
>>it is the name calling & violent language of yours which turns these
>>discussions into less than philosophical ones. Try to control abusive
>>language & stick to the points discused.
>
>Ok. Thank you. I just can't stand these people.

You can't stand anybody, including yourself.

>They must really hate Srila Prabhupada.

:) I don't. I don't hate Hitler, either. But they both fit the
category of the evil in the world. Hitler created the 3rd Reich,
Prabhupada created ISKCON. The poor man has to be in agony, observing
his creations. I pity him.

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X-Ftn-To: Majorinc, Kazimir

kmajor@public.srce.hr (Majorinc, Kazimir) wrote:
>|A cuj, izgleda malo bedasto kad Felixu koji je zivio godinama u
>|buddhistickom hramu na Tibetu pocnes objasnjavati buddhizam, a temelj
>|toga Ti je neka knjiga koju si procitao, pa Ti se ucinilo da u njoj
>|nesto pise.
>
>Sorry, Turina, argument pozivom na autoritet uopce ne uvazavam.

A cuj, bome bi i mogao, buduci da je jedno misljenje nekoga tko je
samo povrsno u nesto upucen, a sasvim drugo misljenje nekoga tko je
tome posvetio veci dio zivota.

>Ono 'ucinilo ti se da u njoj nesto pise' je ispod nivoa
>rasprave.

Tako to barem meni izgleda. Ti si nesto procitao i protumacio iz jedne
perspektive, koja uopce ne mora biti ono sto je autor imao na umu.
Mozda jest, mozda nije. Uglavnom, buduci da je Sakyamuni (aka Buddha)
naucavao o nirvani, kao prestanku patnje i zaustavljanju kotaca
samsare (ponovnih rodjenja i umiranja), posve je otvoreno pitanje
naravi nirvane, naime Sakyamuni ju nije definirao niti pozitivno niti
negativno, dakle ona _nije_ nistavilo. Nirvana je nesto s one strane,
stanje transcedencije koje se postize utrnucem zelja, koje pokrecu
kotac patnje. U krajnjoj liniji, da se naslutiti da nirvana
predstavlja stanje krajnjeg ispunjenja i ostvarenja, a ne krajnjeg
nistavila i nepostojanja. Da je slucaj ovo drugo, nitko ne bi bio
toliko glup da se bavi buddhizmom, osim nekolicine samodestruktivaca.

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"Ron & Keli Conroy" wrote:
>Your actually saying the vedas support rasing baby calf for veal & slaughter
>& eating of beef !!

Not only vedas, but the Bible as well:

The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting. He
said, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: `When any of you
brings an offering to the LORD, bring as your offering an animal from
either the herd or the flock. "`If the offering is a burnt offering
from the herd, he is to offer a male without defect. He must present
it at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting so that it [1] will be
acceptable to the LORD.
(Lev 1)

The LORD said to Moses and Aaron,
"Say to the Israelites: `Of all the animals that live on land, these
are the ones you may eat:
You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and
that chews the cud.
"`There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but
you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not
have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you.
The coney, [1] though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it
is unclean for you.
The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is
unclean for you.
And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not
chew the cud; it is unclean for you.
You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean
for you.
"`Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the
streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales.
But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and
scales--whether among all the swarming things or among all the other
living creatures in the water--you are to detest.
And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you
must detest their carcasses.
Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to
be detestable to you.
"`These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are
detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture,
the red kite, any kind of black kite,
any kind of raven,
the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk,
the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl,
the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey,
the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. [2]
"`All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to
you.
There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that
you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground.
Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or
grasshopper.
But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.
"`You will make yourselves unclean by these; whoever touches their
carcasses will be unclean till evening.
Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he
will be unclean till evening.
"`Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that
does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches [the carcass
of] any of them will be unclean.
Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their
paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be
unclean till evening.
Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will
be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.
"`Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for
you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard,
the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the
chameleon.
Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you.
Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening.
When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever
its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or
sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then
it will be clean.
If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be
unclean, and you must break the pot.
Any food that could be eaten but has water on it from such a pot is
unclean, and any liquid that could be drunk from it is unclean.
Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven
or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to
regard them as unclean.
A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean,
but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean.
If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain
clean.
But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is
unclean for you.
"`If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches
the carcass will be unclean till evening.
Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will
be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his
clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.
"`Every creature that moves about on the ground is detestable; it is
not to be eaten.
You are not to eat any creature that moves about on the ground,
whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet;
it is detestable.
Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make
yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them.
I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I
am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves
about on the ground.
I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God;
therefore be holy, because I am holy.
"`These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living
thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on
the ground.
You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living
creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.'"
(Lev 11)
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Of course, I personally think that the Old Testament is utter nonsense
and I don't accept it as a holy scripture, but since you are so fond
of the scriptures, I might as well provide the quotes. :)

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"Ron & Keli Conroy" wrote:
>The use of the word "meat" in aramic refers to FOOD.

That is probably because only meat was considered to be food - it was
the prevalent food substance. Also, they were mostly drinking the
wine, because the water there is very bacteriologically problematic.

As for the Tibet - how are they supposed to be vegetarians when the
only plants that grows there is jak? They were _always_ carnivores,
and they are probably the most spiritually advanced race in the world.
Meat eating doesn't degrade the consciousness, "spiritual"
judgmentalism degrades the consciousness.
And by the way, I'm a vegetarian.

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