(Buduci da me se "dojmila" kolicina sranja tamo, napisao sam im
prikladnu poruku:)
---

Since there are often disagreements on what it means to be spiritual,
I decided to write some basic guidelines.

- spiritual people are always kind and loving. That is because they
have read a book where it says that God is love and that we're all his
children. They of course don't know that for sure, but it sounds cool.
The spiritual smiles, and greetings like "with all the love of my
heart" and "please accept my humble obeisances" are obligatory, in
order for everyone to see how spiritual you really are. Then, when you
come to a group of spiritual people, they will pat you on the head and
tell you how cool you are, almost like themselves.

- spiritual people are on the spiritual path. Nobody knows what that
means, but if you're not on one, you're in trouble, because the
spiritual people are going to figure you out and you won't be
spiritual anymore. The best way to find a path that is spiritual is to
just keep a low profile and see what the spiritual people do. Then
just act like them and you're OK. If they ask you about your path, say
that you are just a humble seeker, looking for light and love. That
phrase always works, because nobody knows what it means, and everybody
uses it, so they'll make a spiritual face and pat you on the head,
giving you their blessings on your path. Now you're officially on the
path, because another spiritual person said so. Good work!

- if you see a spiritual person which is obviously crazy or deluded,
you must take care never to say that out loud. One must never judge
other seekers on the path, because we are all God's children and he
loves us. Besides, since nobody really knows what it means to be a
great spiritual person, if you criticize someone for being a fake,
they will tell you that you are not spiritual, and you won't be able
to defend yourself. So, it's best to keep sucking up to everybody,
because then there's a chance that people will commend your humility
and devotion.

- you must take care not to do stupid, unspiritual things before you
are generally recognized as spiritual. Only then will people find
excuse for everything you do, because they will think that you're
enlightened, and they'll be careful not to say that you're a fake,
because they are trying to sound spiritual. Once you're generally
recognized, you're safe. Then you can do practically anything you like
and still be spiritual.

- when you write on a spiritual mailing-list or an usenet newsgroup,
always take care to observe which persons are generally accepted as
the most spiritual. Then join the newsgroup by writing kind and loving
replies to their messages. That way, everybody will see how spiritual
you are. If you, however, enter such a group and express your
observation that they are all a bunch of wankers, you will be
finished, because all the spiritual people there will ask you for your
qualifications, and you will not be able to produce them, even if you
are God.

- when someone says that "love is the most important thing" or that
"God is love", or "we are all one", you must immediately agree. That's
obligatory for being recognized as spiritual. If you, however, say
that it is all a bunch of bullshit, all the people who have no
experience of these things will attack you and tell you how
unspiritual you really are. The others will agree with them, unless
they are even more spiritual; in that case, they will say that even
you are one with all them, and that God loves you, and then the ones
who criticized you will have to agree. However, they will still hold a
grudge over you.

- you are allowed to think that someone is a stupid, immature wanker
who poses as a spiritual person, but you aren't allowed to say it. To
say what you mean is not spiritual. You must use kind, polite words,
even if you're in fact telling someone that he is an immature wanker
who poses as a spiritual person. You just need to rephrase the
sentence.

- you should always say that all paths lead to the One goal. Nevermind
that they are mostly in conflict, and that they mostly have nothing in
common: this is one of the most spiritual things to say, because if
people start comparing the paths, they will find out that some paths
must suck, and it's even possible that their own path sucks. To avoid
that unpleasant situation, you should say that all paths lead to the
same goal, and thus diplomatically avoid any objective measurement.
Objective measurement sounds like science, and science is very
unspiritual. Except when it's the spiritual science, and when a
spiritual person says so.

- if someone wears an orange robe and comes from India, he must be
enlightened, because India is supposed to be very enlightened. That is
because it's very hot there and the sun enlightens everything. They
also have excellent rice. You should never even think that such a
person can be a wanker on an ego trip, because this is the most
unspiritual thing to say. Instead, you should say that you feel indeed
blessed by his presence, and utterly unworthy of such a gift. Then,
everybody will nod and think how enlightened you are.

Every resemblance with actual persons and events is intentional.
Lots of spiritual blessings, and accept my humble obeisances. ;)

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

"Hari Har Singh" wrote:
>At least - of course "all paths leads to rome" :-)

Well, I beg to disagree, at least one leads from my home to where my
car is parked. :)

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

Since there are often disagreements on what it means to be spiritual,
I decided to write some basic guidelines.

- spiritual people are always kind and loving. That is because they
have read a book where it says that God is love and that we're all his
children. They of course don't know that for sure, but it sounds cool.
The spiritual smiles, and greetings like "with all the love of my
heart" and "please accept my humble obeisances" are obligatory, in
order for everyone to see how spiritual you really are. Then, when you
come to a group of spiritual people, they will pat you on the head and
tell you how cool you are, almost like themselves.

- spiritual people are on the spiritual path. Nobody knows what that
means, but if you're not on one, you're in trouble, because the
spiritual people are going to figure you out and you won't be
spiritual anymore. The best way to find a path that is spiritual is to
just keep a low profile and see what the spiritual people do. Then
just act like them and you're OK. If they ask you about your path, say
that you are just a humble seeker, looking for light and love. That
phrase always works, because nobody knows what it means, and everybody
uses it, so they'll make a spiritual face and pat you on the head,
giving you their blessings on your path. Now you're officially on the
path, because another spiritual person said so. Good work!

- if you see a spiritual person which is obviously crazy or deluded,
you must take care never to say that out loud. One must never judge
other seekers on the path, because we are all God's children and he
loves us. Besides, since nobody really knows what it means to be a
great spiritual person, if you criticize someone for being a fake,
they will tell you that you are not spiritual, and you won't be able
to defend yourself. So, it's best to keep sucking up to everybody,
because then there's a chance that people will commend your humility
and devotion.

- you must take care not to do stupid, unspiritual things before you
are generally recognized as spiritual. Only then will people find
excuse for everything you do, because they will think that you're
enlightened, and they'll be careful not to say that you're a fake,
because they are trying to sound spiritual. Once you're generally
recognized, you're safe. Then you can do practically anything you like
and still be spiritual.

- when you write on a spiritual mailing-list or an usenet newsgroup,
always take care to observe which persons are generally accepted as
the most spiritual. Then join the newsgroup by writing kind and loving
replies to their messages. That way, everybody will see how spiritual
you are. If you, however, enter such a group and express your
observation that they are all a bunch of wankers, you will be
finished, because all the spiritual people there will ask you for your
qualifications, and you will not be able to produce them, even if you
are God.

- when someone says that "love is the most important thing" or that
"God is love", or "we are all one", you must immediately agree. That's
obligatory for being recognized as spiritual. If you, however, say
that it is all a bunch of bullshit, all the people who have no
experience of these things will attack you and tell you how
unspiritual you really are. The others will agree with them, unless
they are even more spiritual; in that case, they will say that even
you are one with all them, and that God loves you, and then the ones
who criticized you will have to agree. However, they will still hold a
grudge over you.

- you are allowed to think that someone is a stupid, immature wanker
who poses as a spiritual person, but you aren't allowed to say it. To
say what you mean is not spiritual. You must use kind, polite words,
even if you're in fact telling someone that he is an immature wanker
who poses as a spiritual person. You just need to rephrase the
sentence.

- you should always say that all paths lead to the One goal. Nevermind
that they are mostly in conflict, and that they mostly have nothing in
common: this is one of the most spiritual things to say, because if
people start comparing the paths, they will find out that some paths
must suck, and it's even possible that their own path sucks. To avoid
that unpleasant situation, you should say that all paths lead to the
same goal, and thus diplomatically avoid any objective measurement.
Objective measurement sounds like science, and science is very
unspiritual. Except when it's the spiritual science, and when a
spiritual person says so.

- if someone wears an orange robe and comes from India, he must be
enlightened, because India is supposed to be very enlightened. That is
because it's very hot there and the sun enlightens everything. They
also have excellent rice. You should never even think that such a
person can be a wanker on an ego trip, because this is the most
unspiritual thing to say. Instead, you should say that you feel indeed
blessed by his presence, and utterly unworthy of such a gift. Then,
everybody will nod and think how enlightened you are.

Every resemblance with actual persons and events is intentional.
Lots of spiritual blessings, and accept my humble obeisances. ;)

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

X-Ftn-To: Drazen Simunic

"Drazen Simunic" wrote:
>Apsolutno si u pravu. :)
>Oces reci da ono nije moje rodjenje?
>Sad mi lakse naime tko se rodi mora i umrijeti.
>Jedini problem ako to i jest da mi nije ni bolje.
>A zasto bi bilo? :)
>Moras priznat da je bilo zanimljivo. :))
>Eto bacam jos jednu predodzbu na hrpu prastarih.
>Hvala Danijele.

Apsolut je ono sto sve obuhvaca, jedan koji ne poznaje drugoga, stanje
s one strane ogranicenja, s one strane neznanja, s one strane
nesavrsenstva. Apsolut je punina koja ispunjava sve, stvarnost koja
cini osnovu svega stvarnog. U njemu nema odnosa jer su svi odnosi
zasnovani na njemu. U njemu nema dvojbi jer je temelj svekolike
spoznaje i mudrosti. U njemu nema neispunjenosti jer je temelj sveg
ispunjenja. I reci da je Apsolut takav, a ne drugaciji, samo je
beznacajna trivijalnost u usporedbi s ogromnoscu same stvarnosti koja
je To. Iskustvo Toga nije ", ja sam shvatio, wow", to je
otvaranje horizonta kroz predanost Bogu u Bozju unutarnju svijest i
Njegovu unutarnju narav, to je predanost Bogu kojom se ispunjavamo
Bogom i spoznajemo kao Boga i u kojoj zivimo u Bozjem srcu i gledamo
Bozjim ocima Sebe, koji sam Jedan. To je stvarno iskustvo Apsoluta.
Ovo sto se obicno zove prosvjetljenjem je kurac.

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

X-Ftn-To: Drazen Simunic

"Drazen Simunic" wrote:
>Uopce se ne slazem s tobom.
>Na istini se uopce nemora raditi.
>Isitina se zivi.
>Istina je uvijek oko nas.
>Laz je fikcija.
>Na lazi se radi.
>Eto sad ces isto zakljucit da je to samo igra rijeci.

Sto si se onda raspricao toliko kad se na istini ne mora raditi? ;))

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

(ovo je moj odgovor)
---

nirvanablue@my-deja.com wrote:
>Sorry about this death..nobody needs to die that way..nobody!
>As far as the second something goes wrong in Iskcon people seem to jump
>on the bandwagon and critize....
>You act like this is a simple falldown that no one should be concerned
>with it and to do so is faultfinding...bullshit!
>This kind of behaviour is indicitive of a fanatical repressive regime
>such as Iskcon!
>So many of you on this ng will defend anything this stupid cult does
>because you think its founder is more than human (most of you here don't
>know a rats ass about Gaudiya Vaishnava and its history) its so very
>obvious by your uneducated remarks about pretty much everything!
>There is something very wrong in Iskcon and it stinks of lies and false
>teachings! This murder is a symtom of that sickness!
>nirvanablue

I agree with you completely. And now to our "devotees".

I've been in the listening mode for a last couple of days, observing
the reactions to this murder.

Let's see what we have here. We have a cult that bases itself on
preaching "high moral values" and "regulative principles" to all other
people indiscriminately. We have people who assume to be "holier than
thou" compared to everybody, because they don't have "illicit sex",
they "don't kill", they don't take "toxic substances" such as tea,
coffee, chocolate, alcohol etc, basically, they say that they are the
ones who obey God's commandments, while the other religions are
"rascals" who oppose God and who don't obey him.

What a bunch of arrogant wankers!!

All the time we hear about sexual deviations in ISKCON, we hear about
the abuse of women and children, we hear about the abuse of power, and
now we hear about the KGB-style murders. And STILL!!! they dare to
preach "high values" to other people, thinking that they are better
than other religions. You arrogant sons of bitches! You crap about
being vegetarians in order not to kill the animals, and yet you murder
people. You don't drink coffee, but you beat up your wives and rape
your children. You criticize decent people for being entangled in
futile activities of maya, and you yourselves represent the utmost
darkness, the sum of all the lowest qualities of subhuman beings. You
should be ashamed of yourselves! How dare you say that all this is
merely a series of accidents and misunderstandings? It simply follows,
linearly, from everything you were taught by that miserable, bitter
and dry old man you call Prabhupada. You were taught all the forms of
arrogance, sexual repression, aggression and "holier than thou"
attitude. He dared to criticize other religions and yogic schools, and
yet he himself created the worst of all foul creations. All that is
happening is not a deviation. You are all just following "the
regulative principles". This is simply what it adds up to: becoming
bitter, dry, aggressive men, void of life's joy, criticizing the
others out of bitter spite, because they have joy in life, they live
and they serve God by being normal, decent human beings, unlike you
pathetic cross-dressing arrogant assholes who keep preaching the
falsehood. I hope you will be wise enough to beg forgiveness from all
the people whom you have offended with your bullshit. Then, and only
then, you will have a chance to look at God again.

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

nirvanablue@my-deja.com wrote:
>Sorry about this death..nobody needs to die that way..nobody!
>As far as the second something goes wrong in Iskcon people seem to jump
>on the bandwagon and critize....
>You act like this is a simple falldown that no one should be concerned
>with it and to do so is faultfinding...bullshit!
>This kind of behaviour is indicitive of a fanatical repressive regime
>such as Iskcon!
>So many of you on this ng will defend anything this stupid cult does
>because you think its founder is more than human (most of you here don't
>know a rats ass about Gaudiya Vaishnava and its history) its so very
>obvious by your uneducated remarks about pretty much everything!
>There is something very wrong in Iskcon and it stinks of lies and false
>teachings! This murder is a symtom of that sickness!
>nirvanablue

I agree with you completely. And now to our "devotees".

I've been in the listening mode for a last couple of days, observing
the reactions to this murder.

Let's see what we have here. We have a cult that bases itself on
preaching "high moral values" and "regulative principles" to all other
people indiscriminately. We have people who assume to be "holier than
thou" compared to everybody, because they don't have "illicit sex",
they "don't kill", they don't take "toxic substances" such as tea,
coffee, chocolate, alcohol etc, basically, they say that they are the
ones who obey God's commandments, while the other religions are
"rascals" who oppose God and who don't obey him.

What a bunch of arrogant wankers!!

All the time we hear about sexual deviations in ISKCON, we hear about
the abuse of women and children, we hear about the abuse of power, and
now we hear about the KGB-style murders. And STILL!!! they dare to
preach "high values" to other people, thinking that they are better
than other religions. You arrogant sons of bitches! You crap about
being vegetarians in order not to kill the animals, and yet you murder
people. You don't drink coffee, but you beat up your wives and rape
your children. You criticize decent people for being entangled in
futile activities of maya, and you yourselves represent the utmost
darkness, the sum of all the lowest qualities of subhuman beings. You
should be ashamed of yourselves! How dare you say that all this is
merely a series of accidents and misunderstandings? It simply follows,
linearly, from everything you were taught by that miserable, bitter
and dry old man you call Prabhupada. You were taught all the forms of
arrogance, sexual repression, aggression and "holier than thou"
attitude. He dared to criticize other religions and yogic schools, and
yet he himself created the worst of all foul creations. All that is
happening is not a deviation. You are all just following "the
regulative principles". This is simply what it adds up to: becoming
bitter, dry, aggressive men, void of life's joy, criticizing the
others out of bitter spite, because they have joy in life, they live
and they serve God by being normal, decent human beings, unlike you
pathetic cross-dressing arrogant assholes who keep preaching the
falsehood. I hope you will be wise enough to beg forgiveness from all
the people whom you have offended with your bullshit. Then, and only
then, you will have a chance to look at God again.

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

Gle sto nam rade "cisti bhakte Gospoda Krsne":
---
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 02:36:17 GMT

[Text 2799620 from COM]

Dear Prabhus and Maharajs, Please accept my humble obeisances. All
glories to Srila Prabhupada. We have just received the following
shocking report from senior devotees in Mayapur.

1) A few days before Gopasatami, a devotee by the name of Madhva
Krishna Das, a disciple of H H Gopal Krishna Maharaja visited Sri
Mayapur Dham. He had come from the Dehli temple.

2) Before he arrived Dehli temple had informed Mayapur that he was
coming and that he was actually a thief who should be apprehended.

3) Upon arrival he was immediately apprehended by Dayarama Das with
the assistance of some brahmacharis.

4) He was then taken to room 205 in the Long Building where he was
systematically beaten to a pulp by Dayarama and the other devotees.

5) Later he was transferred to room 207 where the beating continued.

6) Dayarama and the other devotees have alleged that as a result of
the beatings, the devotee gave a confession letter, admitting to the
stealing, and begging forgiveness for having stolen from Vaisnavas.

7) The next morning he was found hanging from the ceiling in room 207.

8) The story was given that the devotee had committed suicide due to
the shame of having been apprehended as a thief, and his confession
letter became therefore in fact a de facto suicide note.

9) The Police were called, paid the usual bribes, and the body was
immediately burnt.

10) The incident has cause a big split in Mayapur with most of the
western devotees horrified at what has happened. The above are the
facts of the case, which are well known to anyone in Mayapur.

However the following facts, which indicate that actually something
very underhand has happened, are not generally well known:

a) It seems very unlikely that a devotee who has just stolen from
other devotees would immediately go and visit Mayapur, and that the
authorities would know exactly what his movements were. This would
seem strange behaviour from a thief trying to evade detection. Thus it
seems that the 'thief' story is merely a cover for something else, and
that somebody somewhere needed him removed from the scene.

b) When he was found 'hanging' his feet were still on a chair. However
everyone knows that in order for hanging to take place, the chair
needs to actually be *kicked away*.

c) There are *no chairs* in room 207 or in any other guest rooms in
the Long Building.

These two facts make it clear that the devotee was already dead, and
that the hanging incident was then staged to make it appear as suicide
- though in this case it was done very incompetently.

d) The fact that no post-mortem was carried out, which would be
standard in a situation such as this, indicates that defintely
something suspicious happened here, and someone had something to hide.

We expect an immediate detailed report on the above scenario.
Otherwise please be warned, that we will make sure that the
approproate authorities will not rest until they get to the bottom of
this case. And there are plenty of devotees in Mayapur who are ready
and willing to speak to the authorities.

We had hoped that the days of murder and mayhem had long been left
behind with the zonal acharya era. Obviously not. However these things
will *not* be tolerated anymore. We demand justice for the death of
Madhava Krishna Das.

Ys, Adri

PS : If the above are not facts, please let us know what are the facts
to clear up the matter.

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

X-Ftn-To: Drazen Simunic

"Drazen Simunic" wrote:
>> Vise opce ni ne citam kaj pises, totalno si se zgubil. :)))
>
>Kak sam se izgubil?
>Pa ja sam apsolutan.
>Sve je apsolutno.

Daj idi u kurac, Ti ne bi prepoznal Apsoluta da Te za guzicu ugrizne.
:))

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net

X-Ftn-To: Sinisa Knezevi?

"Sinisa Knezevi?" wrote:
>razine a to bas i nije zdravo.Ne radi li se mozda o preusmjeravanju
>seksualne energije prema "gore" tako da se orgazam u stvari dozivljava kroz
>kicmu do glave(krune) a ne samo u genitalnom podrucju kako to domaci
>tantristi govore.

Pa takav bi orgazam i trebao biti po defaultu, dakle kroz krunu? Ja se
uopce vise ne sjecam da bi to izgledalo drugacije.

--
Web (Kundalini-yoga): http://danijel.cjb.net