I’ve been considering one thing for a while and I’m not sure I have a definitive opinion, I’ll put some of my thoughts on paper in order to clarify them.
It’s about what happens with a failed tulku.
I won’t go into details of what a tulku, or an avatar, is. You can go look that up. Basically, it’s defined as incarnated motivation by a Purusha or a Buddha, depending on the belief system. In mahayana buddhism, a bodhisattva‘s compassion when perceiving the suffering of the world causes a metaphorical “teardrop” that falls onto the Earth and is born as a human being whose purpose is to alleviate ignorance and suffering. Essentially, it’s not the God or Bodhisattva who is incarnating, but a more complex, sophisticated thing. Christianity is on the right track with its Trinity concept, where God’s intent regarding the world causes God to become a different “person” – if he remains in the original form he is the Father, if he becomes a man in order to redeem humanity he is the Son, and if he is the uplifting spiritual force he is the Holy Ghost. Essentially, God can be many things at once without actually ceasing to exist in his original state. All those manifestations, however, are completely and fully God, they are not something of a lower quality or inferior.
So, a tulku is something akin to the Son in the concept of Trinity – it is something that is both fully man and fully Buddha, and also a process of man trying to “reattach” to Buddha, to self-realize by both manifesting the Buddha’s mission of compassion and re-connecting with his own true nature.
The problem is, those tulkus usually state that buddhahood is everyone’s true nature, because it is their true nature. They see the path from being a Buddha in ignorance to being a Buddha in realization, but that’s more a description of what a tulku is, than a description of a normal human’s spiritual path. To a human soul, a realization of his true nature would look more like an NDE experience – you realize that you are in your true nature a spiritual being, you understand that you are more than you thought but there’s much that you need to learn. For a tulku, it’s the realization of that lower bird from the tree from the upanishads – it understand that the godlike bird above the tree is its true nature. This causes a slight problem in teachings, because to assume that something that applies to you applies universally for everyone else is a potential problem. It also opens us to my original dilemma – what happens if a tulku never actually attains self-realization, if he never actually completes the process of reuniting with the spiritual entity that cast it. If that tulku becomes deluded and attached in the world, is the original spiritual entity trapped, like a boat with an anchor that refuses to detach from the seabed, and the chain cannot be cut?
The main questions are, is it possible for a tulku to fail, and, second, if a tulku can fail, what is the exact nature and extent of the failure? Is it just failure to attain full realization of one’s nature while incarnated, or does it go further, into formation of attachments that bind it to samsara? If a tulku is bound to samsara, does it detach into an entity that is truly separate in both nature and destiny from the entity that had cast it, or does it bind that original entity to its fate?
So, that’s the question I’m dealing with. Let me try to find the answer.
The important aspects are “what is binding”, and “what is attachment”. An attachment forms when you are deluded enough to seek something in places where it is not. The classic example is to go after a mirage in a desert, thinking it to be a lake. You are attracted by the promise of a lake, but you are lured deep into the desert where you die of thirst. However, you can be attracted to a mirage, but realize its promise is false and you change your direction. Attachment is when you are so invested in your attempt that you refuse to acknowledge that it doesn’t work and will never work. Bondage, however, is when you are not allowed to leave due to some external influence, for instance you are in debt to a caravan leader who then sells you into slavery. So, it’s not always a simple matter of realizing the error of your ways and changing direction. You can get entangled into something that won’t let you go, and that’s where the serious problems start.
Then we get the aspect of “how are desires of a tulku different from ordinary human desires”. The main difference is the vector – the direction and magnitude. The direction of a tulku‘s every single desire is to reunite with the spiritual entity that cast it, and to fulfill its mission. You can delude a tulku into thinking that something is something that it is not, but there is no persistence to such attachments, and the illusions are very quickly tested and rejected, because a tulku doesn’t have neither time nor energy to waste on things that don’t contain what he’s looking for, and the magnitude of his desire to return to his true nature, having accomplished his mission, is such that it simply overpowers intensity of anything else. A tulku is like a honeybadger, he doesn’t give a fuck and just takes what he wants, completely ignoring or overpowering anything that might stand in its way. It eats bears, lions or cobras if they stand in its way, and you can shoot it but you can’t change its mind. Read about Milarepa’s life, you’ll see what I mean.
If tulku is killed while dedicated to his mission, he reunites with the casting entity. If he is deluded by something effective, persistent and deadly, lead to believe that his destiny is to go into a desert, where he fails in his mission and dies, we have a question: what if the illusion survives death? What if attachments of binding character were formed under the influence of that illusion? What if something effectively presented itself as his Master and offered fulfillment of his nature and mission and that resulted in failure? What if a combination of bad training, bodily weakness and poor judgment resulted in failure? What if a tulku has been seriously contaminated and compromised by wrong beliefs and wrong choices, and is that actually possible? If it’s possible, can it be undone after death, in full clarity and retrospective? I don’t know.
I’ve seen high spiritual beings bound to Earth, as by a thread, with obligations formed in a state of ignorance, that proved to be permanent and binding, and couldn’t be dissolved after death. I therefore know that it’s possible for a high being to be caught in such a trap, caught in the world like a bear or a wolf by its foot; can’t tear it off, can’t force it to let go. The danger seems to be quite real and this seems to answer at least a part of my question. The other part is, how to avoid this kind of entrapment. My personal solution is never to be human, always be a shadow of God. Follow the will of God in all things, and renounce any opinion, belief or a course of action if it is not sanctioned by God. Complete surrender to the will of God, which amounts to being God. You cannot threaten something that doesn’t care if it dies. You cannot bribe it if it wants only one thing, and that’s the one you don’t have to offer. You can’t convince it that it committed sin, when it doesn’t even believe that it exists, because only God is, and in Him there is neither sin nor impurity. So that answers that question.
The question that remains is, do other tulkus conform to this pattern? Will another of my kind respond to being trapped in bear trap not by trying to outpower the trap, not by trying to break off his leg, but by understanding that there is no bear to be caught, and it’s not a God trap, but a bear trap?
I’m still considering all this and my answers are by no means final.
ps.:
I think I know of a way for a tulku to really, really fail.
It would need to recognize Sanat Kumar as God and pledge itself fully to him, initiate itself into his resources and basically become his servant. I think such a tulku would be absorbed by Sanat Kumar and would be permanently lost to its original caster; it would share Sanat Kumar’s fate.
Well, if some holy person who came to be born here obeys the rules set by the owner of this place with all good intentions, instinctively expecting that the owner is a good-doer and God by definition, and that turns out to be the best way to ruin yourself, then I guess it becomes all too obvious what kind of complete perversion this micro-universe is.
And if even some of the spiritually developed entities can can trip over and make this kind of mistake, then what is to be expected of the ordinary people, just living their normal lives, surrendering themselves to God only way realistically expected from them – through instinctive behaviour and by following already set unconscious patterns engraved into this place? How can they make any real progress or do pretty much anything that’s not entangling? It’s just impossible. The more people are trying to do “good”, the more they are wrong. So, maybe we can conclude, most of the people here are “Sanat Kumara’s initiates” to some degree, or perhaps even completely.
This kind of imposes the question would most of the people share the fate of this world when it shuts down?
And if yes, is that justice or some kind of very bad accident?
If someone else was a God here, maybe people would act in a different manner, doing better than they are able to do now, having different instinctive guidance. Maybe they wouldn’t be saints, but at least they wouldn’t be bastards.
Sanat Kumara resonates as a global manipulative “field” through mankind. I suspect if this world would shut down, that actually nothing would change.
Maybe mankind would now incarnate in lower astral worlds per default where they also will be subjected to this herd mentality.
to: Filip
Well, assuming that the guys above would allow the continuation of such rules, that would of course be true, however I don’t see why they would really give a fuck, and exposed to the real rules and realities of the real world, you’d be surprised how quickly the structures of human society would go poof.
For instance, the concept of superficial social mingling wouldn’t work. Impressing people based on falsehoods wouldn’t work. The only thing that is impressive is personal spiritual constitution, based on which you associate with others similar to yourself. Beings who are very different from yourself cannot really inhabit the same “vibrational sphere”, or should I say “quantum shell”, so it’s all not blended together like it is here, and the inferior beings don’t have the luxury of considering themselves the equals of Gods. The differences are just too obvious and produce dramatic practical effects.
So yes, there will still be evil souls and stupid souls, they just won’t get into the way of their seniors like they do here. And I’m sure a line will be drawn, and everything that is under that line will be destroyed, because it was given a chance, it fucked up, and it’s game over. I’m pretty sure that more than 90% of population will be simply wiped out because it contains either no soul worth speaking of, or something demonic and perverted, incarnated here only because of preference for Satan over God.
Those who are above the line will go through some more-less extensive rehabilitation process where they will be allowed to heal from the spiritual harm inflicted by this place, and they will then continue along the path of their natural evolution.
This place will be wiped out and very thoroughly sterilized, and creation of anything similar will be permanently prohibited.
“And I’m sure a line will be drawn, and everything that is under that line will be destroyed, because it was given a chance, it fucked up, and it’s game over. I’m pretty sure that more than 90% of population will be simply wiped out because it contains either no soul worth speaking of, or something demonic and perverted, incarnated here only because of preference for Satan over God.”
I guess this is the part of the story that interests people the most, so let us be very explicit about this.
What comes to my mind is one old message of yours that’s in your personal Usenet archives on the website. I’ve tried to find it now and post a link here, but I was unsuccessful to pinpoint it. Perhaps I’m searching for the wrong keywords, but I’m pretty sure I remembered the essence of it.
It goes like this: “There is a threshold set, and a line is drawn underneath blue dorje. Everything below that line will be wiped out, humanity is not important anymore.”
I don’t know if this is your final stance on this matter or was it one of the stages of understanding the problem that was somewhat upgraded later on by recent events and findings.
Yes, that’s basically it. I’m sure the guys up there have reasonable provisions for everyone who is unable to attain full initiation due to the circumstances of this world but who would be able to do so, provided with a reasonable rehabilitation period. But having in mind how much the concept of “another chance” has been abused, I’m pretty sure invoking the words means immediate death sentence at this point.
Imagine a criminal who manages to evade punishment by crying a river before a judge, only to proceed to commit incredibly disgusting things the minute he’s released. Imagine that having been going on for millenia under Satan’s protection and under his special rules, where such scum was spared and given second chances at the expense of saints. Imagine how pissed at that the true Gods are. Now, they will give all considerations to the saints, and the crying scum will be simply recycled for components. All prayers and cries will fall onto deaf ears.
I’m not sure I got all the pieces of the puzzle in the right places, so let me try to work this out a bit.
So there is this micro-universe called Earth, together with a special kind of tweaked karmic rules made for special purposes, or so at least was supposedly intended judging by the claims of his creator.
The Gods were not very keen to look at something like this exist in a broader scheme of things, but they allowed the experiment anyway, under certain conditions, meaning the experiment is not supposed to be permanent, but it has its own preset time limit.
Creator of this micro-universe managed to buy some time, claiming he’s not done here yet, and everything seemingly bad will turn out to a greater good in the end, only if they let him finish what he intended. Everyone will be impressed by his innovative ideas in the end.
It didn’t really look so good to anyone else, and he was warned about this, but he was still persistent and completely non-cooperative, so at one point somebody lost patience and said: “let’s now put this thing to an end by force”.
It was a masterfully planned assassination, and he was removed out of the existence. Then they proceeded with painstaking preparations for final demolition of his world, strategically placing TNT charges around support structures.
This is where we come to the question what happens to all of the residents of this overcrowded building when the red button is pressed.
There are all kinds of them.
Some of them are saints, although very few of them, who just happened to be here at the moment for reasons unknown.
Some of them are almost-saints, and this group is also negligible in percentage.
Some of them are, well, I guess regular people, minding their own business and trying to make some sense out of it, according to the age and size of their souls.
Some of them are twisted, vulgar and violent souls who came here not by accident, but by the realization they could do here all the things they always wanted to do, but didn’t have a right chance.
Some of them are animals.
Some of them are plants.
So, one of the superiors made a segregation plan, and defined criterias which determine who will be evacuated out of the building before the demolition, and who will not.
Criterias are rather high, and only Gods or almost-Gods are going to be saved, everything else is about to be obliterated, which of course sounds terrifying.
You already said few days ago you suspect that number of such beings is no more that dozen or few dozen per billion, but let’s be optimistic and say there is about one thousand people who qualify as Gods or almost-Gods in this world. That’s about 0,00001% of the world’s entire population.
So, essentially, for everyone else, there is a time race going on.
Either they evolve into Gods before the end of the world, or they don’t.
Looking at things that way, every living being’s major concern at this point should be to put all of their knowledge and efforts into attaining godhood as soon as possible, because there is a sword of Damocles hanging above their heads.
It’s quite a task, and for the vast majority of people, it’s just unrealistic and impossible.
It looks like the premise of this action plan is that everyone is already mature, wise and capable enough of doing it, and if he isn’t, it’s his fault.
So, I don’t know… perhaps I’m missing something important here because this looks pretty weird, curel and dismissive.
What about gradation, what about all kinds of different stages of evolution and people who didn’t necessarily did anything particularly nasty? What about animals and everything else alive?
You got the first part right. The second part, not so much. You see, this world doesn’t help beings evolve. It is not designed with that purpose, no more than a lawn mower is designed to promote grass growth. Keeping it in place doesn’t do anyone any services. If anything, with the passage of time more souls that could have been saved if the world was destroyed then, are lost. Direction of the time function of salvation probability is negative. Leaving this world in place is arguably a karmic offense, because by inaction one contributes to the destruction of the souls involved. Of course it is *now* not possible for anyone to attain a higher initiation in this place. However, any warnings now actually serve the same purpose as Bardo Thodol. You’re not supposed to act on it now, it is supposed to inform your decisions later.
Your objections seem to indicate several things. First, that it is unjust to draw an arbitrary line for salvation, because for each n, there could arguably be a lim x→n, and for each x there could be a z → x, and so without drawing a line you essentially defined the pool of beings that need to be saved as an infinite set, since new “beings” are formed by the processes within matter each second; some aggregation of prana within insects creates some sort of continuity of astral kalapas, I guess.
To simplify, for any constant value of a line drawn, an argument can be made that there’s someone just below the bar who could have been saved with only a bit more compassion and mercy and whatever bullshit people usually think of when they want to teach Gods how to be good in a human way, that resulted in such great conditions in this world that they have the authority to re-arrange heavens according to their ideas.
First of all, the Gods I’m talking about, who are involved in the entire process, all have a human incarnation behind them. None of them needed to be spared or saved; they used their will to make choices that made them into what they are now. Others in their surroundings either ridiculed them, or found them contemptible, or even thanked God that they aren’t like that, as in the case of Milarepa. The few that actually found them to be a praiseworthy example are also probably counted among the heavenly population.
Furthermore, the prerequisite for salvation is that one can, after physical death, function competently in a real world made by God, according to the real laws made by God. If one can’t do it immediately, there is a rehabilitation period that will make it possible. Failing that, such beings would then need the physical world to continue existing, with its upside-down rules that are meant to destroy souls, in order for them to have a shithole in which they can hide from the light of God, an live their deformed, crippled abomination of an existence.
You say that “evacuation” is to be done “before demolition of the building”. No. Any evacuation that is to take place will happen after the demolition of the building. Everybody dies first, and will then be judged by their spirit, not by the body they inhabit.
As for the time race, it’s going on, that’s true. However, it’s been going on for quite a while. Jesus issued an accurate and specific warning 2000 years ago. The warning was afterwards repeated by the prophets and saints. Babaji from Hairakhan almost hysterically warned about mahakranti that is to come. B.D.Benedict keeps writing about Katarina’s testimony about Satan, his rule over the world, the peril for the souls here, the dire need for spiritual cleansing before the inevitable end of the world when Satan’s lease on this place expires. One prophet very similar to Katarina was given very specific messages of a similar kind, for me personally, issued by the Gods as a confirmation. I have been issuing very dire warnings since 1997, that everybody needs to immediately strive towards liberation because later will be too late.
And what happened? Everybody kept sleeping. The prophets were ridiculed. My writings are mostly met with derisive and snide thoughts and are barely taken seriously even by those who supposedly follow it all diligently.
This world is at its end. One either is able to function in a real world, under real laws, or will be destroyed under those laws. Vile pits in which demons hide from the truth and seduce others to sin will no longer be tolerated. That’s what is about to happen. Anyone who thinks it is not just, will be destroyed alongside all other enemies of all that is good and righteous. Essentially, all the evil ones will be killed, and all who weep at their funeral will also be killed.
With the five-minute warning having been issued 2000 years ago, and the sirens screaming for the last several decades, anyone who says that we have not been warned is a fucking idiot.
As for the ability of souls to attain initiation under pressure, Biljana did it, somewhere around 2006, under warning from above that she needs to do it immediately and without any delay because later would be too late, and followed by the feeling that the doors were hitting her in the arse. So it can be done if you’re not an idiot who expects there to be a second chance tomorrow, and so on for 2000 fucking years, because there’s always tomorrow after a tomorrow.
There’s a line drawn. Those above the line will rejoice, for they are finally free and at home, where the light of God shines without any speck of darkness. Those below the line will be given a realistic opportunity to heal from the damage inflicted by this world. This process of healing will consist of exposure to truth and light. This process will simply kill all those who are unworthy, not by someone’s judgment, but by their very nature. There will be no place to run from the light, but into the jaws of death. No more dark hidey-holes for evil fucks. No more “oh, I just need another chance and then I’ll evolve, I promise, for real now, not like the last 1E7 years that I’ve been fucking with you all, it’s for real this time”.
In the whole process of getting Initiation, how much soul structure plays part?
I think huge part as I doubt that I am in the same position as someone who has soul kalapa’s of higher matter such as mental or causal. My soul is high astral at best maybe, and probably very young in age. I constantly hear about people who do nothing and attain such experiences which I look upon with awe.
Soul structure is basically who you are – your character, how you react to certain energies, what you desire, etc. So basically when someone exposes you to God, it determines whether you’ll decide it’s the best thing ever and you want only that, forever, or you decide it’s a horrible black void that devours everything you hold dear, and your run for your life, seeking some rock to crawl under.
Regarding experiences, that’s relative to one’s soul structure, as you can see from this description.
Hmm, it would be interesting to be exposed to God, to see how would I react
Yes, it would. 🙂
to: Dario
Well, first of all, you’re right, it’s bad. A “normal” person living a “normal” life is basically fucked. However, those who actually turn on their brains and think, they have both better odds of not being spiritually ruined here, and they also have better odds of attracting Sanat Kumar’s negative attention. It’s a tradeoff.
As for what awaits most people when the game ends, take a look at this:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=world+population+through+time
It’s a Wolfram Alpha graph of population growth. There are several ways of interpreting that. If you don’t believe in a soul, there’s no problem. If you believe there is a soul but it’s created ex nihilo by God at the time of conception, you also have no problem. However, those beliefs are bullshit, and if you believe in something much closer to the facts, which are that souls don’t just come into being in their final form, but are formed by spiritual evolution, according to the theory of karmic accretion initially postulated and developed by Jainism and Buddhism, you either have a large off-world pool of souls that are ready for incarnation in human form, or you have animal souls, on a lesser stage of development, populating human bodies because they are cheap and abundant, while number and diversity of animal life are on the decrease ever since the onset of the Holocene extinctions.
The real question is what happens to souls after death in any case – regardless of the souls’ respective level of development. I would expect the immature souls incarnated in human bodies to proceed along the path that is expected for the same soul-type that inhabits animal life forms, so that’s not a problem. The problem isn’t what happens when they die, the problem is what happens when they live, in human bodies on Earth, and are given rights equal to those of incarnated Gods, simply by the virtue of being there. And when you have the concept of human rights and democracy, that’s the recipe for hell, because it logically creates reign of demon-animals on Earth, and stifles all sophisticated voices with the extremely bad signal to noise ratio in everything.
Another issue is what kind of justice even exists in all this? Well, those things exist in layers. What Sanat Kumar created doesn’t really supersede what God created. It is just superimposed over it, and both sets of rules apply, one universally with the exception of here, and one only here. The problem is when being successful according to rules that apply here dooms you everywhere else, and vice versa, playing according to the universal Divine rules really limits your chances in this world. Christianity really is right about this, those things really exist in juxtaposition. Having it all is not a realistic option and one must make choices according to his understanding of reality and his priorities.